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Old Mar 24, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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I'll do more research on the RIAA. But aside from that, it is not up to the consumer to decide whether profits to the artist are fair or not, and therefore decide whether copy-write laws should be followed.
Old Mar 24, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
I'll do more research on the RIAA. But aside from that, it is not up to the consumer to decide whether profits to the artist are fair or not, and therefore decide whether copy-write laws should be followed.
You're right, but that's not the point. The RIAA is abusive and Draconian, and the position appointments and subsequent decision only illustrates that this administration is as much a slave to corporate interests as the last.
Old Mar 24, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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Um most artists make a vast majority of their money when they tour - and the more people who hear your music - the more tickets you are going to sell.

Besides; do you know how much the artist actually gets from a CD sale? Pennies on the dollar friend, pennies on the dollar.
How is that justification? Do we just get to pick and choose what constitutes stealing?
Old Mar 24, 2009 | 02:03 PM
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Fixed. Trent Reznor has been publicly humiliating the record companies for many, many years.
actually, Prince started this trend
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You're right, but that's not the point. The RIAA is abusive and Draconian, and the position appointments and subsequent decision only illustrates that this administration is as much a slave to corporate interests as the last.
That's not the point? From what you said it sounds like the RIAA's abuse nullifies someone's right to protect their creations. Thats just the impression I got from your wording here:

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People have the right to protect their creations and property, sure. However, there is such a thing as harassment, which the RIAA is well known for doing. Search Google for "RIAA abuse" and inform yourselves.
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How is that justification? Do we just get to pick and choose what constitutes stealing?
its not stealing, no one has a loss of property after the "crime"
Old Mar 24, 2009 | 03:47 PM
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How is that justification? Do we just get to pick and choose what constitutes stealing?
Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
That's not the point? From what you said it sounds like the RIAA's abuse nullifies someone's right to protect their creations. Thats just the impression I got from your wording here:
You're both arguing your own inference and not something that was actually said; you're also ignoring the abuses of the RIAA in the name of protecting copyright. These are not mutually exclusive concepts or goals; you can justly and fairly protect what is yours -- what the RIAA does is harassment and abuse of the legal system, and it's not even done to protect the artists, it's done to serve corporate interests and coffers (anyone familiar with the record industry knows that major record labels reap vast profits and give almost nothing to a majority of their signed artists).
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actually, Prince started this trend
I was unaware of that, what did he do?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
its not stealing, no one has a loss of property after the "crime"
Copyright has the word "copy" in it.
Old Mar 24, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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its not stealing, no one has a loss of property after the "crime"
did you gain something of value? yes.

did you pay for it? no.
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Superglue and VRT, have either of you bothered looking into the harassment perpetrated by the RIAA, or are you both just content to believe what the corporations want you to?
Old Mar 26, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Superglue and VRT, have either of you bothered looking into the harassment perpetrated by the RIAA, or are you both just content to believe what the corporations want you to?
but who are they harassing? just random people who haven't downloaded anything illegally?
Old Mar 26, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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but who are they harassing? just random people who haven't downloaded anything illegally?
Here, let me Google that for you:

Exonerated defendant sues RIAA for malicious prosecution

Former RIAA target Tanya Andersen has sued several major record labels, the parent company of RIAA investigative arm MediaSentry, and the RIAA's Settlement Support Center for malicious prosecution, a development first reported by P2P litigation attorney Ray Beckerman of Vandenberg & Feliu. Earlier this month, Andersen and the RIAA agreed to dismiss the case against her with prejudice, making her the prevailing party and eligible for attorneys fees.

The lawsuit was filed in the US District Court for the District of Oregon late last week and accuses the RIAA of a number of misdeeds, including invasion of privacy, libel and slander, and deceptive business practices.

Andersen is a disabled single mother residing in Oregon. In 2005, she was sued by the RIAA for file-sharing, accused of sharing a library of gangsta rap over Kazaa. She denied the allegations and filed a counterclaim alleging fraud, racketeering, and deceptive business practices by the record labels. Despite the lack of any evidence of infringement apart from an IP address, the RIAA continued to press ahead with the case until the abrupt dismissal earlier this month.

Andersen lays out an unsavory account of the music industry's actions as it attempted to dig up evidence that she was guilty of infringement. Early on, an employee at the Settlement Support Center, the RIAA's prelitigation collections agent, allegedly told Andersen that he believed she had not infringed any copyrights according to the complaint.

After the RIAA filed suit, Andersen's complaint says that she provided the name, location, and phone number of the person she believed was behind the Kazaa account "gotenkito," the account the RIAA accused her of using for copyright infringement. "Instead of dismissing their false claims, the defendant Record Companies persisted in their malicious prosecution of her they publicly libeled her with demanding and repulsive accusations [sic]" that she listened to misogynistic rap music according to the complaint.

The RIAA is also accused of trying to contact Andersen's then eight-year-old daughter without her knowledge. "Knowing of her distress, the RIAA and its agents even attempted to directly contact Kylee," reads the complaint. "They called Ms. Andersen's apartment building looking for Kylee. Phone calls were also made to her former elementary school under false pretenses... Ms. Andersen learned of these tactics and was even more frightened and distressed."
Full article at Ars Technica.

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And an update on that case:

RIAA beaten in court by Tanya Andersen yet again

17 January 2008

RIAA beaten in court by Tanya Andersen yet again Despite

RIAA lawyers' brilliant legal argument that they shouldn't be required to pay the victim of a lawsuit they brought without evidence because they were still pretty sure she was pirating music has come to its logical consclusion. Today an appeals court upheld both the decision to force the RIAA to pay Tanya Andersen's legal bills and another dismissing her counterclaims against the organization without prejudice.

Although not as sensational, the status of her claims of RIAA harassment could have a longer lasting impact on the future of such litigation. After the RIAA's suit against her was dropped with prejudice, meaning they may not sue her over the same incident, Andersen decided to continue her claims against the RIAA in a separate suit that she hopes will qualify for class action status. By affirming the decision to drop her original counterclaims without prejudice, they may be included in future lawsuits, such as the one she has pending against the RIAA right now.

Her suit charges the RIAA with malicious prosecution and includes, among other allegations, that they tried to gather evidence against her by attempting to contact her eight year old daughter without her permission. She's also accusing the RIAA of violating Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organisation (RICO) laws, although this tactic seems unlikely to succeed as no violence or threats of violence are claimed.
Old Mar 26, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Superglue and VRT, have either of you bothered looking into the harassment perpetrated by the RIAA, or are you both just content to believe what the corporations want you to?
I apologize for not doing the homework you assigned me. I have a vague idea of what they are.

Please present me a case for why I should be interested.



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