No security at nuke reactors
Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
The bottom line is that the students were able to walk right up to the reactor. How long would it take to get the fuel out? An hour. 8 hours. Does it matter? If the terrorists wanted to I think they could take over the entire building and kill any security inside without anyone knowing.
As far as exposure...you could hold the amount used in these reactors all day and still be able to carry out a suicide mission without difficulty.
The only thing you have to worry about (not in this scenario) is when there's a criticality. That's when an out of control chain reaction happens between two highly enriched sources of nuclear radiation that get too close. Then you see a blue flash (this happens inside your eyeballs but it looks like the room lights up) and you die a very short time later. (like what they did to the monkeys in the movie X-project or was it called project X?)
Even a tiny amount of radioactive material can be deadly when ingested. Plus the area that it explodes in would be made totally un-inhabitable untill a complete clean up was done. Granted it's a small isolated event. However, there would be huge psychological factor.
As far as exposure...you could hold the amount used in these reactors all day and still be able to carry out a suicide mission without difficulty.
The only thing you have to worry about (not in this scenario) is when there's a criticality. That's when an out of control chain reaction happens between two highly enriched sources of nuclear radiation that get too close. Then you see a blue flash (this happens inside your eyeballs but it looks like the room lights up) and you die a very short time later. (like what they did to the monkeys in the movie X-project or was it called project X?)
Even a tiny amount of radioactive material can be deadly when ingested. Plus the area that it explodes in would be made totally un-inhabitable untill a complete clean up was done. Granted it's a small isolated event. However, there would be huge psychological factor.
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
stop flaunting your ****ing stupidity people, the least you could do is LEARN A LITTLE ABOUT WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU REMOVE ALL DOUBT ABOUT YOUR OWN IGNORANCE
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I agree with dre..... we can't be forced to live in fear of everything. we all die eventually, so let's have a good time while we are here. living in fear is just what the ****ing terrorists want to happen.
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Who's forcing you?
Originally Posted by spedmunki
I agree with dre..... we can't be forced to live in fear of everything. we all die eventually, so let's have a good time while we are here. living in fear is just what the ****ing terrorists want to happen.
I just think it's good to know what dangers are out there. Will it by any means cause me to live in fear? No. With understanding comes confidence.
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Not surprising. Everything is just hunky-dory in civilian land. No discipline whatsoever...
And the reassuring part is that because most Universities tend to attract liberal groups, think of those that have access that could easily snap by becoming more extreme. They wouldn’t even need to kill everyone inside to get access.
And the reassuring part is that because most Universities tend to attract liberal groups, think of those that have access that could easily snap by becoming more extreme. They wouldn’t even need to kill everyone inside to get access.
Personally, I am pretty hunky-dory in civilian land. I think I have a pretty damn good life, living in a great state with more things to do than I ever will have time for. I never, ever, have feared for my life due to terrorists, even on 9/11 because of where I live. I am getting/have had a great education, with even greater teachers/professors. I make a good amount of money now, and have really no fear as to getting a well paying job after I am out of school. My fears as to government right now pertain only to my friends in the military fighing in Iraq, and the future of our country after I am gone, because as I see it we are on a extra steep path to the end of our superpower-dom (see Greek Empire). Has dubya's administration screwed me over? No. Has it helped me? No. Would a democratic admin. help me more? probably not.
It may be naieve for me to think that I shouldn't worry, and that I will get a well-paying job after I am done with school. But personally, I like it that way and think in my current situation I am probably right. I have a good education, and live in a safe town so why should I worry? The fact is that what happens in Washington right now, in terms of the rest of my life, probably only affects how much I pay to the government, and how much of that I get back in a check. Because of my situation in those regards, and my strong feelings on social issues, I vote democrat (most the time).
I think my life is pretty hunky-dory overall, and will continue to be at least for a while to come. Maybe I see it all wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm safe where I am right now.
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
you guys just live on fear uncertainty and doubt dont you?
****ing ***gots get the **** over your retarded *** fears
i would be much more worried about some ******* buying up a bunch of old dentist xray machines on ebay and fashioning a dirty bomb out of that then a ****ing locked up tight nuke reactor (how you going to get that uranium out of the ****ing core dip****s?) on a campus somewhere..
even if you blew the **** out of the building that core most likely wouldnt even crack..
again
stop flaunting your ****ing stupidity people, the least you could do is LEARN A LITTLE ABOUT WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU REMOVE ALL DOUBT ABOUT YOUR OWN IGNORANCE
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****ing ***gots get the **** over your retarded *** fears
i would be much more worried about some ******* buying up a bunch of old dentist xray machines on ebay and fashioning a dirty bomb out of that then a ****ing locked up tight nuke reactor (how you going to get that uranium out of the ****ing core dip****s?) on a campus somewhere..
even if you blew the **** out of the building that core most likely wouldnt even crack..
again
stop flaunting your ****ing stupidity people, the least you could do is LEARN A LITTLE ABOUT WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU REMOVE ALL DOUBT ABOUT YOUR OWN IGNORANCE
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
B.S.
What are you going to do....dive in the water and grab it with your hands and load it in a crate??? You have seen too many movies.
What are you going to do....dive in the water and grab it with your hands and load it in a crate??? You have seen too many movies.
One fuel rail from a reactor could tear s*** apart in a dirty bomb. The people who run these facilities can replace one rail at a time when they want...so if you took over the facility, you could have them give you a rail at gun point. To transport it, you could use the packaging it comes in when delievered to the facillity. Not to mention that you could just take some of the stuff that hasn't been put into the reactor yet (since then it would already be packaged somehow). Not so unreasonable is it... I wouldn't be so quick to assume things about the inablilities/logistics of stealing nuclear material.
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Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
So you have just displayed that you know nothing about nuclear material and it's dangers. That's ok though. When I was 16 I didn't know any better either. Although I don't think I was quite as stupid as you. Judging by the sheer number of posts you have on this forum, I see you don't do much else besides sit around thinking of idiotic things to write in order to feed your adolecent need for attention. don't worry, puberty will come soon and you'll discover that women don't really have the cudies.
right, ill make sure to tell that to the DuHS and fahbee folks i interact with now and again.
Let me guess.. i know nothing of security right? Nothing at all... haha
please continue.. make sure to mention how i know nothing of INFOSEC in particular, and how i cant tell the difference between different shell encoding techniques, or how i blow donkey ***** at interpreter injection attacks.
please continue on, maybe you can mention how i dont know dick about physhical security, and how i will never audit the capabilities of such infrastructures.
i may not be a .mil'r or a .gov'r but from the ones i have run into so far they dont imrpess me to much (note some have, but most dont)
Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
I agree 100% with you. I don't think it's living in fear though. It's just knowing what the dangers are and being ready. We all die...unless you're imortal. So if you believe in fate, by all means throw caution to the wind. But, if you're like me and believe you're in control of your own destiny, I say look before you step. We have a very real enemy in this world. The only way to defend against any enemy is to know the enemy and know what it's capable of. Once you underestimate it,...you put yourself at a disadvantage.
I just think it's good to know what dangers are out there. Will it by any means cause me to live in fear? No. With understanding comes confidence.
I just think it's good to know what dangers are out there. Will it by any means cause me to live in fear? No. With understanding comes confidence.
If you understood proper risk mangement you would under stand that the risk invovled with stealing nuclear material from a university and then using it in a dirty bomb is NO WHERE NEAR THE RISK POSED BY RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL IN EVERY DAY MEDICAL EQUIPMENT.
10grand in dental/medical equipment
10grand in boom dust..
http://search.ebay.com/search/search...rclo=&saprchi=
http://www.ultramedical.net/Used_Xray.htm
etc etc
now those are freely avail, i dont have to worry about the feds chasing me down and buglar alarms going off, i can move the **** around, use fake companies to mask my activity, etc etc etc etc...
buy a few of them, tear them apart and build several smaller bombs drop them in populated areas and whamo you have yourself wide spread panic.
dont talk to me about risk and security, i will literally run mother****ing circles around you while i am "**** on my self drunk".
seriously stick to your god talk, i have no ****ing love for any of you fear mongering idiots who pretend to understand the risks and dangers of todays world. You dont have a clue, you buy into the media hype and false sense of security. let me guess the air transport system is safe now right?
You know what, in hindsight i shouldnt be so mean to people like you, if it wasnt for people like you i wouldnt be as succesful as i am. That and i wouldnt be able to scare the crap out of your kin when i pull some **** on their systems/procedures/policies that they never thought of.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
One fuel rail from a reactor could tear s*** apart in a dirty bomb. The people who run these facilities can replace one rail at a time when they want...so if you took over the facility, you could have them give you a rail at gun point. To transport it, you could use the packaging it comes in when delievered to the facillity. Not to mention that you could just take some of the stuff that hasn't been put into the reactor yet (since then it would already be packaged somehow). Not so unreasonable is it... I wouldn't be so quick to assume things about the inablilities/logistics of stealing nuclear material.
Seriously people, keep watching tv and movies and thinking that is how things work.
Granted there will always be gaps in procedures and policies, but for the most part when it comes to BIO/Nuke they have their **** together. err so i hear
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Dude you are so high
Just curious...how old are you?
Now I know you're completely full of it. Just from what you've wrote above says it all. When you tell a lie...Never ever do it when there is a chance that someone, who is really in the business, might be in the room with you. You'll just make yourself look like a jackass.
You're one of those guys that might know someone who did something so you in turn tell the story like it was you. Either you really believe you're that guy, or you think you have to lie to kick it. Either way, you're a joke.
Just in the off chance you we're the super secret squirrel agent you say you are, why would you tell us?
Just keep reading spy novels and surfing the internet for stuff that sounds cool and then post it like you live it.
I'm not trying to **** you off, although it sounds like I am, I just want you to come back to reality.
For being a secret agent, you sure do display a lot of hostility and frustration. But it's entertaining so please continue.
Now I know you're completely full of it. Just from what you've wrote above says it all. When you tell a lie...Never ever do it when there is a chance that someone, who is really in the business, might be in the room with you. You'll just make yourself look like a jackass.
You're one of those guys that might know someone who did something so you in turn tell the story like it was you. Either you really believe you're that guy, or you think you have to lie to kick it. Either way, you're a joke.
Just in the off chance you we're the super secret squirrel agent you say you are, why would you tell us?
Just keep reading spy novels and surfing the internet for stuff that sounds cool and then post it like you live it.
I'm not trying to **** you off, although it sounds like I am, I just want you to come back to reality.
For being a secret agent, you sure do display a lot of hostility and frustration. But it's entertaining so please continue.
right full of lies...
Never once have i said i am a super squirrel.. anything but
more of a civie who is involved in protecting critical infrastructure (soon to be my day job). Nothing spy related about this, all though i have meet several former DI/CO folks from the good ole company. Other then that i have NO ****ING FISCAL TIES to any .gov agency. I have talked to many people that do, on a weekly and daily basis and while i respect them i dont think i would "mesh" or "fit" to well in a .gov. ESP not the Fahbee or similar just way to straight and narrow for me.
As for INFOSEC it is my LIFE, i eat it, sleep it, breath it, and work it 24/7. Banks, power companies, online merchants, county and state goverments, Law enforcement agencies, you name it i have done work for them or with them. ALL SECURITY RELATED ranging from Cyber security to phys (*mostly cyber/info).
I seriously suggest you stfu, as you are the one shooting his ****ing mouth off. This is what i do to pay my bills, it is what i do for a hobby, it is what i do when i am bored, it is what i do when i am tired. I think you get the point by now..
Again nothing secret about me its all right there on google waiting for you to type in the magic words.
And as for the "super secret agent" bull****, simply because i educate my self on the issues and know a tidbit about the IC doesnt make me a f00king agent. Nor have i ever said i was (please do correct me if i am wrong i will GLADLY eat those words with a nice heaping of STFU *****).
If you want pm me and i can send you my mother****ing resume, or my full name so you can google me up and see all those wonderful mailinglist posts, articles, orginizations i am a part of, etc...
Hell i will even give you one of my certificate numbers so you can look it up if you want... (CISSP the new MCSE!!!1!!, now with more l4m3r!!)
Oh and all this at the ripe old age of 25.. (got my cissp when I was 21, one of the youngest ever, only beat by a handful of people on this green earth of ours).. Hell i could go on and on bragging and boasting.. but the fact of the matter is this.. While i may be good, or i may be great. There are plenty of other people out there who are a **** ton better then me. As a matter of fact i know several of those people in the flesh. If it wasnt for them i wouldnt keep pushing my self so hard
anyways talk all the **** you want fact still remains i have demonstrated a knowledge of the topic at hand that paints you to be the bumbling retard. Look past the acryonyms, look past the bull**** the fact still remains. You are the one who lives in fear, you are the one who doesnt understand the risks.
So keep talking to jesus maybe one day he will grant you a clue....
Never once have i said i am a super squirrel.. anything but
more of a civie who is involved in protecting critical infrastructure (soon to be my day job). Nothing spy related about this, all though i have meet several former DI/CO folks from the good ole company. Other then that i have NO ****ING FISCAL TIES to any .gov agency. I have talked to many people that do, on a weekly and daily basis and while i respect them i dont think i would "mesh" or "fit" to well in a .gov. ESP not the Fahbee or similar just way to straight and narrow for me.
As for INFOSEC it is my LIFE, i eat it, sleep it, breath it, and work it 24/7. Banks, power companies, online merchants, county and state goverments, Law enforcement agencies, you name it i have done work for them or with them. ALL SECURITY RELATED ranging from Cyber security to phys (*mostly cyber/info).
I seriously suggest you stfu, as you are the one shooting his ****ing mouth off. This is what i do to pay my bills, it is what i do for a hobby, it is what i do when i am bored, it is what i do when i am tired. I think you get the point by now..
Again nothing secret about me its all right there on google waiting for you to type in the magic words.
And as for the "super secret agent" bull****, simply because i educate my self on the issues and know a tidbit about the IC doesnt make me a f00king agent. Nor have i ever said i was (please do correct me if i am wrong i will GLADLY eat those words with a nice heaping of STFU *****).
If you want pm me and i can send you my mother****ing resume, or my full name so you can google me up and see all those wonderful mailinglist posts, articles, orginizations i am a part of, etc...
Hell i will even give you one of my certificate numbers so you can look it up if you want... (CISSP the new MCSE!!!1!!, now with more l4m3r!!)
Oh and all this at the ripe old age of 25.. (got my cissp when I was 21, one of the youngest ever, only beat by a handful of people on this green earth of ours).. Hell i could go on and on bragging and boasting.. but the fact of the matter is this.. While i may be good, or i may be great. There are plenty of other people out there who are a **** ton better then me. As a matter of fact i know several of those people in the flesh. If it wasnt for them i wouldnt keep pushing my self so hard
anyways talk all the **** you want fact still remains i have demonstrated a knowledge of the topic at hand that paints you to be the bumbling retard. Look past the acryonyms, look past the bull**** the fact still remains. You are the one who lives in fear, you are the one who doesnt understand the risks. So keep talking to jesus maybe one day he will grant you a clue....
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
right full of lies...
anyways talk all the **** you want fact still remains i have demonstrated a knowledge of the topic at hand that paints you to be the bumbling retard. Look past the acryonyms, look past the bull**** the fact still remains. You are the one who lives in fear, you are the one who doesnt understand the risks.
So keep talking to jesus maybe one day he will grant you a clue....
anyways talk all the **** you want fact still remains i have demonstrated a knowledge of the topic at hand that paints you to be the bumbling retard. Look past the acryonyms, look past the bull**** the fact still remains. You are the one who lives in fear, you are the one who doesnt understand the risks.
So keep talking to jesus maybe one day he will grant you a clue....
This will be my last post in this thread unless your next post doesn’t contain things like:
“buy a few of them, tear them apart and build several smaller bombs drop them in populated areas and whamo you have yourself wide spread panic.” (dental equipment)
“i will literally run mother****ing circles around you while i am "**** on my self drunk".”
“if it wasnt for people like you i wouldnt be as succesful as i am. That and i wouldnt be able to scare the crap out of your kin when i pull some **** on their systems/procedures/policies that they never thought of.”
“even if you blew the **** out of the building that core most likely wouldnt even crack..”
“please continue on, maybe you can mention how i dont know dick about physhical security, and how i will never audit the capabilities of such infrastructures.”
It’s painful. I can’t continue to read anymore of it. I’m not talking about the spelling errors either. I make plenty of those myself. It’s the content. It’s like listening to someone trying to tell you that 2+2=5. Are they doing it just to see if they can convince you that it does? Or are they doing it because they themselves honestly believe that it does? Either way it’s just not true.