The left is worth nothing
02-01-2005, 10:50 AM
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The left is worth nothing
This is an article from Dennis Prager. IMO it hits the nail on the head.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/d...20050201.shtml
February 1, 2005
"Someone who does not know the difference between good and evil is worth nothing." -- Miecyslaw Kasprzyk, Polish rescuer of Jews during the Holocaust, New York Times, Jan. 30, 2005
It took a Polish rescuer of Jews in the Holocaust, cited this week 60 years after the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration and death camp, to best describe those people who cannot or refuse to know the difference between good and evil. They are "worth nothing."
Since I was an adolescent, I have been preoccupied with evil: specifically, why people engage in it and why other people refuse to acknowledge its existence. As I have gotten older, I often find the latter group more infuriating. Somehow, as much as I don't want to, I can understand why a Muslim raised in a world permeated with hate-filled lies about America and Israel, and taught from childhood that God loves death, will blow himself up and joyfully maim and murder children. As evil as the Muslim terrorist is, given the Islamic world in which he was raised, he has some excuse.
But the non-Muslims who fail to acknowledge and confront the evil of Muslim terror and the evil of those monsters who cut innocent people's throats and murder those trying to make a democracy -- these people are truly worth nothing. Unlike the Muslims raised in a religious totalitarian society, they have no excuse. And in my lifetime, these people have overwhelmingly congregated on the political Left.
Since the 1960s, with few exceptions, on the greatest questions of good and evil, the Left has either been neutral toward or actively supported evil. The Left could not identify communism as evil; has been neutral toward or actually supported the anti-democratic pro-terrorist Palestinians against the liberal democracy called Israel; and has found it impossible to support the war for democracy and against an Arab/Muslim enemy in Iraq as evil as any fascist the Left ever claimed to hate.
There were intellectually and morally honest arguments against going to war in Iraq. But once the war began, a moral person could not oppose it. No moral person could hope for, let alone act on behalf of, a victory for the Arab/Islamic fascists. Just ask yourself but two questions: If America wins, will there be an increase or decrease in goodness in Iraq and in the world? And then ask what would happen if the Al Qaeda/Zarqawi/Baathists win.
It brings me no pleasure to describe opponents of the Iraqi war as "worth nothing." I know otherwise fine, decent people who oppose the war. So I sincerely apologize for the insult.
But to the Left in general, as opposed to individually good people who side with the Left, I have no apologies. It is the Left -- in America, in Europe and around the world -- that should do all the apologizing: to the men, women and children of Iraq and elsewhere for not coming to their support against those who would crush them.
That most Democratic Party leaders, union leaders, gay leaders, feminists, professors, editorial writers and news reporters have called for an American withdrawal and labeled this most moral of wars "immoral" is a permanent stain on their reputations.
About 60 percent of the Iraqi people went to vote despite the fact that every Iraqi voter risked his or her life and the lives of their children, whose throats the Islamic fascists threatened to slit. Yet, the Left continues to label the war for Iraqi democracy "immoral" while praising the tyrant of Cuba.
Leftists do so for the same reason they admired Ho Chi Minh and Mao Tse-tung and condemned American arms as the greatest threat to world peace during and after the Cold War. The Left "does not know the difference between good and evil." And that is why it is worth nothing.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/d...20050201.shtml
February 1, 2005
"Someone who does not know the difference between good and evil is worth nothing." -- Miecyslaw Kasprzyk, Polish rescuer of Jews during the Holocaust, New York Times, Jan. 30, 2005
It took a Polish rescuer of Jews in the Holocaust, cited this week 60 years after the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration and death camp, to best describe those people who cannot or refuse to know the difference between good and evil. They are "worth nothing."
Since I was an adolescent, I have been preoccupied with evil: specifically, why people engage in it and why other people refuse to acknowledge its existence. As I have gotten older, I often find the latter group more infuriating. Somehow, as much as I don't want to, I can understand why a Muslim raised in a world permeated with hate-filled lies about America and Israel, and taught from childhood that God loves death, will blow himself up and joyfully maim and murder children. As evil as the Muslim terrorist is, given the Islamic world in which he was raised, he has some excuse.
But the non-Muslims who fail to acknowledge and confront the evil of Muslim terror and the evil of those monsters who cut innocent people's throats and murder those trying to make a democracy -- these people are truly worth nothing. Unlike the Muslims raised in a religious totalitarian society, they have no excuse. And in my lifetime, these people have overwhelmingly congregated on the political Left.
Since the 1960s, with few exceptions, on the greatest questions of good and evil, the Left has either been neutral toward or actively supported evil. The Left could not identify communism as evil; has been neutral toward or actually supported the anti-democratic pro-terrorist Palestinians against the liberal democracy called Israel; and has found it impossible to support the war for democracy and against an Arab/Muslim enemy in Iraq as evil as any fascist the Left ever claimed to hate.
There were intellectually and morally honest arguments against going to war in Iraq. But once the war began, a moral person could not oppose it. No moral person could hope for, let alone act on behalf of, a victory for the Arab/Islamic fascists. Just ask yourself but two questions: If America wins, will there be an increase or decrease in goodness in Iraq and in the world? And then ask what would happen if the Al Qaeda/Zarqawi/Baathists win.
It brings me no pleasure to describe opponents of the Iraqi war as "worth nothing." I know otherwise fine, decent people who oppose the war. So I sincerely apologize for the insult.
But to the Left in general, as opposed to individually good people who side with the Left, I have no apologies. It is the Left -- in America, in Europe and around the world -- that should do all the apologizing: to the men, women and children of Iraq and elsewhere for not coming to their support against those who would crush them.
That most Democratic Party leaders, union leaders, gay leaders, feminists, professors, editorial writers and news reporters have called for an American withdrawal and labeled this most moral of wars "immoral" is a permanent stain on their reputations.
About 60 percent of the Iraqi people went to vote despite the fact that every Iraqi voter risked his or her life and the lives of their children, whose throats the Islamic fascists threatened to slit. Yet, the Left continues to label the war for Iraqi democracy "immoral" while praising the tyrant of Cuba.
Leftists do so for the same reason they admired Ho Chi Minh and Mao Tse-tung and condemned American arms as the greatest threat to world peace during and after the Cold War. The Left "does not know the difference between good and evil." And that is why it is worth nothing.
02-01-2005, 11:22 AM
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Shut up man. That is the biggest load of propaganda I've ever read. When I read that, I saw: "Don't be compasionate, and keep a close mind when it comes to international relations." And that is exactly why the Right is labeled as insensitive and blinded by their own agenda. The left has never actively supported evil. Just look at how rediculous that looks in type. Pure BS. Communism is not neccesarily evil, you close minded douche. Noone on the left likes Fidel Castro...that's f***ing rediculous. But if Fidel was gone, and a true communist government took over that treated the people of Cuba well and was non-violent, what the f*** would be wrong with that. You close minded tube-snake lover.
And the left is usually the first ones to point out evil doings around the world, while the right tries to cover the fact that they're involved in said evils. Find somewhere else to put up your nonsense propaganda.
And the left is usually the first ones to point out evil doings around the world, while the right tries to cover the fact that they're involved in said evils. Find somewhere else to put up your nonsense propaganda.
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02-01-2005, 11:29 AM
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That's the best you have...weak sauce!!!
Look at things lefties like George Soros says at Lebanon’s Daily Star, in an op-ed that says there’s no right and no wrong, no truth and no falsehood, no freedom and no tyranny, only the guiding light of international law in the brave new world of “open societies”—and America is breaking that law:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=12267
He spent 26 million to put a lilberal in office, tell me again how the left is not unable to see evil. So suck on that candy ***.
Look at things lefties like George Soros says at Lebanon’s Daily Star, in an op-ed that says there’s no right and no wrong, no truth and no falsehood, no freedom and no tyranny, only the guiding light of international law in the brave new world of “open societies”—and America is breaking that law:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=12267
He spent 26 million to put a lilberal in office, tell me again how the left is not unable to see evil. So suck on that candy ***.
02-01-2005, 11:41 AM
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It's not that the left doesn't see a right and a wrong. It's that the right is unwilling to change their deffinitions of right and wrong to fit in with the real world which evolves. What was 'wrong' in the year 1000 can be 'right' now and vice-versa. For example: drugs have been used thoughout human history. But only relatively recently have then been scene as 'evil.' Hell, they used to be the reason for week-long festivals and celebrations.
Another example: It used to be 'evil' to swear at someone in public. Now swearing is so ingrained in the common venacular that it is almost strange to hear someone speak without some form of a swear.
You're viewpoint is a very close minded one. There is no root definition of evil or good, except in your own heart. If you believe that the left, as a whole, does not 'know' the difference between good and evil, then you are the evil one. Exclusion, catagorizing, and prejudice (all of which you have displayed) are evil. Now run along and make your little blacklist of communists living in the US...because what you're suggesting wreaks of 'red scare' type tactics. Which, as we all know, caused more evil than good.
Another example: It used to be 'evil' to swear at someone in public. Now swearing is so ingrained in the common venacular that it is almost strange to hear someone speak without some form of a swear.
You're viewpoint is a very close minded one. There is no root definition of evil or good, except in your own heart. If you believe that the left, as a whole, does not 'know' the difference between good and evil, then you are the evil one. Exclusion, catagorizing, and prejudice (all of which you have displayed) are evil. Now run along and make your little blacklist of communists living in the US...because what you're suggesting wreaks of 'red scare' type tactics. Which, as we all know, caused more evil than good.
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You want to talk of Red Scare tactics?? Did you ever even witness communism, I was in East Berlin before the Soviet Union fell, having to wear dress uniforms everywhere we went or be arrested for espionage, escorted by a STASI member all the time. People were F'N shot for trying to leave, yet you tell me I know nothing of good and evil except whjat lies in my heart!!? I feel sorry for you that you have no inate sense of right or wrong and that you world is only filled with greys. What prejudice have I displayed? What exclusions have I shown? Please list the specifics. The Right was correct about the cold war, and they are right about the war in which we fight now. Your failure to see that is an obvios character flaw in you as well as though like you. Our only hope is that your ideology does not become that of the majority.
"The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
"The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
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You're blinded, unfortunatly, by the evils that have been done to you and your family. I'm sorry you had to go through that. But it has so far tainted your thought process that intelligible banter about politics is imposible. So you say everything IS black and white and greys don't exist. Wow. That's all I have to say. Wow. You might want to check in with the real world every now and again...things look grey everywhere I look.
Einstein is my idol, don't f***ing twist his words like that. He was, and would be today, a democrat and a 'left winger'.
You want specifics? You say that the left is worthless. That is a gross generalization, and certainly worthy of the term prejudice.
Einstein is my idol, don't f***ing twist his words like that. He was, and would be today, a democrat and a 'left winger'.
You want specifics? You say that the left is worthless. That is a gross generalization, and certainly worthy of the term prejudice.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Shut up man. That is the biggest load of propaganda I've ever read. When I read that, I saw: "Don't be compasionate, and keep a close mind when it comes to international relations." And that is exactly why the Right is labeled as insensitive and blinded by their own agenda. The left has never actively supported evil. Just look at how rediculous that looks in type. Pure BS. Communism is not neccesarily evil, you close minded douche. Noone on the left likes Fidel Castro...that's f***ing rediculous. But if Fidel was gone, and a true communist government took over that treated the people of Cuba well and was non-violent, what the f*** would be wrong with that. You close minded tube-snake lover.
And the left is usually the first ones to point out evil doings around the world, while the right tries to cover the fact that they're involved in said evils. Find somewhere else to put up your nonsense propaganda.
And the left is usually the first ones to point out evil doings around the world, while the right tries to cover the fact that they're involved in said evils. Find somewhere else to put up your nonsense propaganda.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
You're blinded, unfortunatly, by the evils that have been done to you and your family. I'm sorry you had to go through that. But it has so far tainted your thought process that intelligible banter about politics is imposible. So you say everything IS black and white and greys don't exist. Wow. That's all I have to say. Wow. You might want to check in with the real world every now and again...things look grey everywhere I look.
Einstein is my idol, don't f***ing twist his words like that. He was, and would be today, a democrat and a 'left winger'.
Einstein is my idol, don't f***ing twist his words like that. He was, and would be today, a democrat and a 'left winger'.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
I'd love to get in on fun against Socialists, but I'm suffering the aftermath of bad Chinese food.
Maybe later.
Maybe later.
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Better Einstein quote in respects to this war:
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
Quote from you:
"I feel sorry for you that you have no inate sense of right or wrong and that you world is only filled with greys."
The world is ALL greys...name ONE thing that's pure evil. Killing? That's pretty evil...oh wait, not if you kill a bad guy...
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
Quote from you:
"I feel sorry for you that you have no inate sense of right or wrong and that you world is only filled with greys."
The world is ALL greys...name ONE thing that's pure evil. Killing? That's pretty evil...oh wait, not if you kill a bad guy...
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By the way, lumping the ideals of socialism and communism in with what has happened in countries where a dictator pretended they were practicing socialism is unintelligent.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Better Einstein quote in respects to this war:
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
Quote from you:
"I feel sorry for you that you have no inate sense of right or wrong and that you world is only filled with greys."
The world is ALL greys...name ONE thing that's pure evil. Killing? That's pretty evil...oh wait, not if you kill a bad guy...
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
Quote from you:
"I feel sorry for you that you have no inate sense of right or wrong and that you world is only filled with greys."
The world is ALL greys...name ONE thing that's pure evil. Killing? That's pretty evil...oh wait, not if you kill a bad guy...
Is genocide evil, is using chemical weapons on people evil? Is cutting the heads off of Nepalese Buddahists evil, Using a child suffering from Down Syndrome to carry out a suicide attack evil? Murdering people for voting evil? what about paying families of suicide bombers? I guess in your world it's just grey.
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All of those things are evil to somebody and justifiable to someone else. I agree with you that they are all evil things. (I never said that nothing is evil...) But to somebody, you spending money on a car is evil. You have to recognize that your opinion is objective and not ultimately right or wrong. Your extreamist viewpoint will appear uneducated and selfish when you suddenly realize, someday, that the center of the universe is very very far away from where you live.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
Is genocide evil, is using chemical weapons on people evil? Is cutting the heads off of Nepalese Buddahists evil, Using a child suffering from Down Syndrome to carry out a suicide attack evil? Murdering people for voting evil? what about paying families of suicide bombers? I guess in your world it's just grey.
So where do you go next on your crusade svxr8dr? There are so many other countries that have these problems or much worse problems. Or do you only go there when they have oil for the taking? I mean since we are now in the habit of invading sovereign nations we should head on over to Sudan since there has been Genocide going on over there for years. After Sudan we should go to Iran because those people have been oppressed for years, the list goes on and on and on. So why Iraq. Well thats simple. They have oil and Jr doesn't like saddam because he tried to assasinate papa.
Don't get me wrong, if it works over there and Iraq can be a true democratic nation than that will be a huge step for free nations everywhere. But where do you stop? Bush wants to "spread democracy" throughout the world so I suspect we will be taking on the likes of the North Koreas, Irans and Chinas of the world in some way or another sooner rather than later. Remeber we are not going to be the #1 world superpower for that much longer. China is quickly taking that title from us and they will be doing it with *gasp* communism *gasp*