Iraq War: A Long 3 Years
03-20-2006, 07:27 AM
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Iraq War: A Long 3 Years
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11865279/
Great video clips from March 2003.
Are the staunch conservatives going to finally own up and admit that we f***ed up big time in invading a sovereign nation pre-emptively?
We have fed anti-American sentiment in Muslim countries because of our belligerence and ignorance. Imagine if we had resolved this conflict peacefully through international policy?
Could we have possibly moved the world towards peace rather than war? Would peace steer fringe Muslims away from radical anti-Western propaganda?
I think that it is time for a mea culpa and bring in rational, unbiased opinions to help quell the violence that we have helped propogate.
Great video clips from March 2003.
Are the staunch conservatives going to finally own up and admit that we f***ed up big time in invading a sovereign nation pre-emptively?
We have fed anti-American sentiment in Muslim countries because of our belligerence and ignorance. Imagine if we had resolved this conflict peacefully through international policy?
Could we have possibly moved the world towards peace rather than war? Would peace steer fringe Muslims away from radical anti-Western propaganda?
I think that it is time for a mea culpa and bring in rational, unbiased opinions to help quell the violence that we have helped propogate.
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[QUOTE=dub2w]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11865279/
Great video clips from March 2003.
You're right, we ****ed up.
We listened to the UN back in 1990/1991 and merely pushed Iraq out of Kuwait, instead of getting rid of the Gov't of Iraq.
Imagine if we had simply pushed Germany out France, Belgium, Austria, etc back in 1944-1945.
Do you think Hitler would've said, "Geez, I'm sorry. I won't do that again."
Those that hate us now, hated us thirty years ago.
What was the UN doing just prior to the US invasion?
Particularly France, Russia, and Germany?
If the UN had just finished the job back in 1991....
Terrorists and Dictators do not understand the concept of Peace.
You are doing a great job at telling the World that America sucks. 
Great video clips from March 2003.
Originally Posted by dub2w
Are the staunch conservatives going to finally own up and admit that we f***ed up big time in invading a sovereign nation pre-emptively?
We listened to the UN back in 1990/1991 and merely pushed Iraq out of Kuwait, instead of getting rid of the Gov't of Iraq.
Imagine if we had simply pushed Germany out France, Belgium, Austria, etc back in 1944-1945.
Do you think Hitler would've said, "Geez, I'm sorry. I won't do that again."
Originally Posted by dub2w
We have fed anti-American sentiment in Muslim countries because of our belligerence and ignorance. Imagine if we had resolved this conflict peacefully through international policy? .
What was the UN doing just prior to the US invasion?
Particularly France, Russia, and Germany?
If the UN had just finished the job back in 1991....
Originally Posted by dub2w
Could we have possibly moved the world towards peace rather than war? Would peace steer fringe Muslims away from radical anti-Western propaganda?.
Originally Posted by dub2w
I think that it is time for a mea culpa and bring in rational, unbiased opinions to help quell the violence that we have helped propogate.
03-20-2006, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
You're right, we ****ed up.
Imagine if we had simply pushed Germany out France, Belgium, Austria, etc back in 1944-1945.
Do you think Hitler would've said, "Geez, I'm sorry. I won't do that again."
Imagine if we had simply pushed Germany out France, Belgium, Austria, etc back in 1944-1945.
Do you think Hitler would've said, "Geez, I'm sorry. I won't do that again."
Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
You're right, we ****ed up.
Terrorists and Dictators do not understand the concept of Peace.
Terrorists and Dictators do not understand the concept of Peace.
Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
You're right, we ****ed up.
You are doing a great job at telling the World that America sucks.
You are doing a great job at telling the World that America sucks.
03-20-2006, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dub2w
Correction: WE are doing a great job that America sucks. And that is what pisses me and other free-thinking Americans off. Questioning our govt and holding my govt accountable to US is more than our right, it is our duty as a citizens of this great country. Those that absorb the lies are derelict in their duty.
Please, get off your high-horse. The fact that you preach this seemingly "America sucks" agenda is rather amusing simply based upon the fact that you think you're so damned enlightened. Your reference to "free-thinking" Americans is rather ignorant by your definition of the word. According to you the only "free-thinkers" in America are on the left bashing everything related to the Stars and Bars. Could it be that people that support the war thought long and hard about it and for whatever reason sypmathize with it's cause?
I can respect your opinion, I do respect it. In many respects I agree with it. But the fact that you talk to everyone but those that share your political views like uneducated followers really cuts your credibility short. Dedication to the war effort has nothing to do with political stance. I believe Paul was in the military and so am I. We'd like to see something worthwhile come for those that sacrificed so much rather than backing out and calling it a day.
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
Could it be that people that support the war thought long and hard about it and for whatever reason sypmathize with it's cause?
But the reasons for going to war have shifted since Day 1... and that is what is so frustrating! Other than "staying the course", do you specifically have a reason that necessitates a pre-emptive strike on a sovereign nation and the ensuing war?
Instead of questioning my patriotism and attacking me personally, try attacking my argument.
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
Your reference to "free-thinking" Americans is rather ignorant by your definition of the word. According to you the only "free-thinkers" in America are on the left bashing everything related to the Stars and Bars.
"YEEEHAAAAW isnt a foreign policy"
p.s. Isnt "Stars and Bars" a strip joint??
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Originally Posted by dub2w
But the reasons for going to war have shifted since Day 1... and that is what is so frustrating! Other than "staying the course", do you specifically have a reason that necessitates a pre-emptive strike on a sovereign nation and the ensuing war?
Originally Posted by dub2w
Instead of questioning my patriotism and attacking me personally, try attacking my argument.
Originally Posted by dub2w
"YEEEHAAAAW isnt a foreign policy"
Originally Posted by dub2w
p.s. Isnt "Stars and Bars" a strip joint??
03-20-2006, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
The fact of the matter is that that's in the past and we need to deal with the situation at hand. Hold the people who made mistakes or down-right lies accountable and get back to formulating a war plan that will facilitate mission success and get the soldiers home.
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Originally Posted by dub2w
Saddam is no Hitler. Your credibility is already halved from that disillusioned reference.
If someone had stopped Hitler earlier then Hitler wouldn't have been a Hitler!
TAKE THAT CAPTAIN DOUBLE-SPEAK!
03-20-2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
BS. We stopped Saddam from becoming Hitler.
If someone had stopped Hitler earlier then Hitler wouldn't have been a Hitler!
TAKE THAT CAPTAIN DOUBLE-SPEAK!
If someone had stopped Hitler earlier then Hitler wouldn't have been a Hitler!
TAKE THAT CAPTAIN DOUBLE-SPEAK!
We stopped Saddam from becoming Hitler when we kicked him out of Kuwait. There is NO evidence that Iraq under Saddam had ANY intent of taking over ANY other country at all.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
We stopped Saddam from becoming Hitler when we kicked him out of Kuwait. There is NO evidence that Iraq under Saddam had ANY intent of taking over ANY other country at all.
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You're kidding right? Hitler told everyone he was going to take over the world before he invaded anywhere. He said he'd take over the world before he was even in charge of Germany...
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Dumb: Two words... "Mein Kampf"
We've treaded on this ground before, but comparing Saddam to Hitler is doing a sever injustice to Holocaust survivors. It is also not historically accurate.
We've treaded on this ground before, but comparing Saddam to Hitler is doing a sever injustice to Holocaust survivors. It is also not historically accurate.