Illegals are a fiscal drain.
08-27-2004, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BlingBlingBlue
You just hit the nail on the head. I don't know the answer, but I do know if it were a more straight forward process, we would be much better off. I have wondered since I was a teenager why countries (not only the USA) do not allow people with jobs, who want to do their job, legally reside in their country.
I work with a Swiss banker who has lived in New York for 18 years who was born in Holland. He got his citizenship 2 years ago after a decade of trying. He has been here legally the whole time, but has had to jump through many hoops, and had to endure much hardship in order to work here. This is a man who probably pays more to the US in taxes than most of us gross in a year. He is a managing director of a large bank, and probably grosses well over a million bucks a year, yet it was extremely difficult for him to become a citizen. His comment was that he knows more about US History and government processes than 95% of folks who were born here.
I work with a Swiss banker who has lived in New York for 18 years who was born in Holland. He got his citizenship 2 years ago after a decade of trying. He has been here legally the whole time, but has had to jump through many hoops, and had to endure much hardship in order to work here. This is a man who probably pays more to the US in taxes than most of us gross in a year. He is a managing director of a large bank, and probably grosses well over a million bucks a year, yet it was extremely difficult for him to become a citizen. His comment was that he knows more about US History and government processes than 95% of folks who were born here.
08-27-2004, 01:38 PM
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There's actually a film about this issue. I think it's called 'A Day Without Mexicans'. All the mexicans go back to their mother land as Oaf suggested.
If this were to happen, our economy would not be the only one to collapse, you know, the whole globablization thing. Even if Fox could pull that off, he'd be crazy to do it.
Originally Posted by Oaf
Dude, you give illegals waaay too much credit. If that were true, Vincente Fox would pull all the illegals back to Mexico and wait for the US to collapse.
08-27-2004, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bone324
The $20k they can make here each year doing manual labor is probably 10x what they'd make in Mexico. They're also greedy and would rather be illegal than to pay they're fair share in income taxes.
08-27-2004, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyAB
There's actually a film about this issue. I think it's called 'A Day Without Mexicans'. All the mexicans go back to their mother land as Oaf suggested.
In no post have I suggested that "All the mexicans go back to their mother land."
I only demand that those seeking to better their life abide by the laws of our country.
Also, the Feds need to allow the Border Patrol to do their job in catching/deporting" of all illegals, regardless of country of origin. Their are plenty of Irish that have overstayed their visas living in San Francisco.
Check out Center for Immigration Studies. You'll find lots of good information there.
Federation for American Immigration Reform has more information.
Since Illegal Mexican immigrant labor contributes less than one half of one percent of GDP, deporting Illegal Mexican immigrants will have no negative affect on our economy.
The bottom line is this:
They (all illegal immigrants) are here illegally, thus they are criminals and should be treated as such.
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08-27-2004, 09:18 PM
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half of on percent of gdp is how much? (and you are talking NATIONAL GDP not CA GDP, which is two different ball parks)
Do the math and come back to me with a figure and tell me that it wont have an impact.. Did you even read what i posted??
Do the math and come back to me with a figure and tell me that it wont have an impact.. Did you even read what i posted??
08-27-2004, 09:52 PM
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You're right.
.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than I'll ever earn.
But, 99.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than .5%.
And, No, I seldom read what you post.
EDIT
California's Gross State Product in 2001, was $1.36 trillion.
Of which, $6.8 billion (.5%) is produced by the sweat of illegals.
In comparison, the sweat of the porno industry produces about $19 billion for California.
Bottom Line:
**** stars mean more to California than illegal Mexicans.
.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than I'll ever earn.
But, 99.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than .5%.
And, No, I seldom read what you post.
EDIT
California's Gross State Product in 2001, was $1.36 trillion.
Of which, $6.8 billion (.5%) is produced by the sweat of illegals.
In comparison, the sweat of the porno industry produces about $19 billion for California.
Bottom Line:
**** stars mean more to California than illegal Mexicans.
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08-27-2004, 11:44 PM
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I neglected to include the word 'illegal'
edit: and I have trouble believing that 'one half of one percent'. This seems like it would be a difficult subject to obtain accurate figures on, since most employers who employee illegal immigrants tend to pay them under the table.
edit: and I have trouble believing that 'one half of one percent'. This seems like it would be a difficult subject to obtain accurate figures on, since most employers who employee illegal immigrants tend to pay them under the table.
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08-28-2004, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
You're right.
.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than I'll ever earn.
But, 99.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than .5%.
And, No, I seldom read what you post.
EDIT
California's Gross State Product in 2001, was $1.36 trillion.
Of which, $6.8 billion (.5%) is produced by the sweat of illegals.
In comparison, the sweat of the porno industry produces about $19 billion for California.
Bottom Line:
**** stars mean more to California than illegal Mexicans.
.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than I'll ever earn.
But, 99.5% of a gazillion USD is a lot more than .5%.
And, No, I seldom read what you post.
EDIT
California's Gross State Product in 2001, was $1.36 trillion.
Of which, $6.8 billion (.5%) is produced by the sweat of illegals.
In comparison, the sweat of the porno industry produces about $19 billion for California.
Bottom Line:
**** stars mean more to California than illegal Mexicans.
can you post links to where you got your data from?
08-29-2004, 08:21 AM
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The links are in my post above.
The $6.8 billion figure comes from my HP 48GX: 1.36E12 X .005 = 6.8E9
I will concede that I made some assuptions, such as only illegals work in the agrifarming industries(which isn't true) and that only legals work in the porno industries.
Speaking of the porno industry, California better be careful, 'cause Las Vegas is a calling.
The $6.8 billion figure comes from my HP 48GX: 1.36E12 X .005 = 6.8E9
I will concede that I made some assuptions, such as only illegals work in the agrifarming industries(which isn't true) and that only legals work in the porno industries.
Speaking of the porno industry, California better be careful, 'cause Las Vegas is a calling.
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