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Old 06-29-2009, 10:14 PM
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How can Obama flat out lie to us and people still believe in him?



One of his big, centerpieces , while running for office.

Yet cap and trade is just a TAX on energy, just another way to make it seem like it's "good" for us. Sure the whole idea of going green is great, and it might fool a lot of people. The way he is approaching it, and his plans for development are absolutely absurd and really close to communism.

Even this energy tax is just a new earmark, for what? FOR healthcare, it won't even go toward the deficit at all.

Thank god this bill will get struck down in the Senate, I still can't believe this bill is backed by the Obama Administration, and this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what he PROMISED to do. One of the many promises he has broken.

The guy did a straight 180 on what he SAID he'd do, and what he's actually doing. A straight lie. I'll oppose any bill that adds or tries to add a tax toward the American People. He clearly said he wouldn't increase it on people sub 250k.
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yup he is going all out for health care and saying screw the rest
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You act surprised that a politician would not tell the truth....
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You act surprised that a politician would not tell the truth....

Spoken best.
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:54 AM
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He again, will only be a one term president.

Conservatives are growing extremely fast, a lot of people switched sides one this idiot came into office, and instead of doing what he said, he has done the complete opposite.

A lot of the polls are listing about 65% conservatives, that shot up pretty fast within the first 6 months of this lunatics presidency. Many don't agree on his bull crap anymore. His actions will speak louder than any words. There is a solution to this problem, and it isn't what he has done for our long term recovery. He's only made the recovery WORSE.

It isn't bailing out the big firms.
It isn't printing money and creating inflation and destroying the dollar bill.
It isn't saying "we promote democracy" but doesn't understand Zelaya's dictator mentality is in line with Fidel Castro.
It sure isn't to try and make a phony bill that will only end up taxing people he said he wouldn't tax.

Ron Paul isn't a liar. He is a strict constitutionalist, follows the words of the great men who created a specific document to keep us from being the oppressed by our own people.

Ron Paul for 2012, one of the few men left in the legislature that will bring the US back to being a great nation.
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Well, come on guys, what did you think was going to happen with a democrat as president?

Seems like he is trying to make things more liberal (hehe...or communist), wow...big surprise.

He is doing a 180? Well our high school president promised a soda machine in the hallway...that never happened.

Wasn't he going to "end the war" and bring the troops back too? Oh ****, another Nixon.
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Well, come on guys, what did you think was going to happen with a democrat as president?

Seems like he is trying to make things more liberal (hehe...or communist), wow...big surprise.

He is doing a 180? Well our high school president promised a soda machine in the hallway...that never happened.

Wasn't he going to "end the war" and bring the troops back too? Oh ****, another Nixon.
Nixon did end the war.
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Originally Posted by iLoqin View Post
He again, will only be a one term president.

Conservatives are growing extremely fast, a lot of people switched sides one this idiot came into office, and instead of doing what he said, he has done the complete opposite.

A lot of the polls are listing about 65% conservatives, that shot up pretty fast within the first 6 months of this lunatics presidency. Many don't agree on his bull crap anymore. His actions will speak louder than any words. There is a solution to this problem, and it isn't what he has done for our long term recovery. He's only made the recovery WORSE.

It isn't bailing out the big firms.
It isn't printing money and creating inflation and destroying the dollar bill.
It isn't saying "we promote democracy" but doesn't understand Zelaya's dictator mentality is in line with Fidel Castro.
It sure isn't to try and make a phony bill that will only end up taxing people he said he wouldn't tax.

Ron Paul isn't a liar. He is a strict constitutionalist, follows the words of the great men who created a specific document to keep us from being the oppressed by our own people.

Ron Paul for 2012, one of the few men left in the legislature that will bring the US back to being a great nation.
wow you should work for him
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Nixon did end the war.
Correction: Nixon got US troops out of Vietnam. Soon after our departure, the North Vietnamese ended the war after "uniting" South Vietnam.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
Correction: Nixon got US troops out of Vietnam. Soon after our departure, the North Vietnamese ended the war after "uniting" South Vietnam.

Toooshe!
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Nixon did end the war.
Yes he did!

As did Obama....

But,

In the 1968 Presidential campaign, Richard Nixon stated that "new leadership will end the war" in Vietnam. He never used the phrase "secret plan", which originated with a reporter looking for a lead to a story summarizing the Republican candidate's (hazy) promise to end the war without losing. When pressed for details, Nixon retreated to the position that to tip his hand would interfere with the negotiations that had begun in Paris. Nixon never disavowed the term. In his own memoirs, Nixon stated he never claimed to have such a plan. Nevertheless, Nixon's critics have continued to accuse him of campaigning on a "secret plan" to end the war.

According to one historian: "...it became obvious in 1969 that Nixon's 'secret plan' to end the war was a campaign gimmick..."

Another historian wrote: "Nixon never had a plan to end the war, but he did have a general strategy--to increase pressure on the communists [and] issue them a November 1, 1969 deadline to be conciliatory or else...The North Vietnamese did not respond to Nixon's ultimatum...and his aides began planning Operation Duck Hook."

Nixon told Michigan Republican congressman Donald Riegle that the war would be over within six months of his assumption of office.

As this six month deadline approached, in May 1969, Henry Kissinger asked a group of Quakers to give the administration six more months. "Give us six months, and if we haven't ended the war by then, you can come back and tear down the White House fence."

The election promises of the Nixon administration had positive results for the White House. Many potential peace activists were not ready to march on the Pentagon...until Nixon was given a fair chance. After all, troops were being withdrawn, the bombing had stopped, and diplomats were talking in Paris. In addition, as the White House gradually pulled troops from Vietnam, the media shifted from the destruction of Vietnam--even while the U.S. air war and coordinated ground assaults in Southeast Asia persisted at a very high rate of killing.

The executive producer of the ABC evening news, Av Westin, wrote a memo in March 1969 that stated:

"I have asked our Vietnam staff to alter the focus of their coverage from combat pieces to interpretive ones, pegged to the eventual pull-out of the American forces. This point should be stressed for all hands."

And Westin telexed the ABC network's Saigon bureau:

"I think the time has come to shift some of our focus from the battlefield, or more specifically American military involvement with the enemy, to themes and stories under the general heading 'We Are on Our Way Out of Vietnam.'"

American combat deaths for the first half of 1969 increased rather than decreased during the time in which the plan was allegedly being implemented.

In 1972 Nixon also promised that "peace is at hand". On January 27, 1973, at the beginning of Nixon's second term, representatives of the US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam and the Viet Cong signed the Paris Peace Accords, which formally ended US involvement in the war.

The Nixon Administration six month's promise is similar to the Philippine-American War 1900 promise of Republicans who pledged that the fighting in the Philippines would end within sixty days of McKinley's re-election.

I just copied/pasted off of Wikipedia b/c it was easier than explaining this.
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Obama had to scare us with fear, emergency, and to be an "american" to give him the stimulus package to stop job loss and prevent unemployment, and they said it would not rise over 8%. It's now at 9.5% and rising, and last month's 467k jobs is the largest month we've seen (last month) which means what? This month might be around 500k, good job.

In addition to that LIE, his staff is now lying and saying "well we meant over 2 years" no, you didn't you dickwads. They specifically said it would not rise over 8%, it did. They specifically said GIVE THEM THE STIMULUS NOW. We can prevent unemployment NOW. Yea ok, and now you're saying "well we meant over 2 years."

Please lie to us more. The next thing is filibustering over the ****in energy tax that isn't going to the deficit. Ohhh no, it's going to NATIONAL HEALTH CARE. If you nationalize health care, the doctor and you will not have control over the treatment you receive. It'll be the legislature saying what you can or can't have. That includes (as it happened in britain) that some lady couldn't get treatment for breast cancer because the legislature deemed her case not serious/important enough.

NATIONALIZING/SOCIALIZING Health care doesn't ****ing work. Stop digging us in a worse hole;. you want the best for America, but you have no CLUE which direction you're moving the country.
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