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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 11:40 PM
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Where do I get a sign that says:

"This 2 party system sucks my *****"
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kc6794
What is it, $250,000 or $200,000 or what Biden said $150,000, or maybe what Obama said a year ago $42,000? And oh yeah, release those tapes LAtimes!!
You'll find out in 5 days

Stay classy GOP
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 11:56 PM
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Where do I get a sign that says:

"This 2 party system sucks my *****"
make it
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kc6794
What is it, $250,000 or $200,000 or what Biden said $150,000, or maybe what Obama said a year ago $42,000? And oh yeah, release those tapes LAtimes!!
It is:

Everyone earning less than $200,000 will receive a tax cut

Everyone earning less than $250,000 will receive no new taxes

And does it really matter about the tapes? Why is it a problem if Obama shook hands with a man who supports the Palestinian cause. It is about time a US politician took a hard look at our relationship with Israel.
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Magish
It is:

Everyone earning less than $200,000 will receive a tax cut

Everyone earning less than $250,000 will receive no new taxes

And does it really matter about the tapes? Why is it a problem if Obama shook hands with a man who supports the Palestinian cause. It is about time a US politician took a hard look at our relationship with Israel.

I'm considered to be the 8% of the undecided voters out there. It would really matter to me that this tape be at least looked at. I know that the owner of the tape does not want it to be shown, but it's very suspicious. Associations with radicals is a very serious concern to the American public...why do you think Barrack Husein OBAMA distanced himself from Rev Wright? This guy Barrack is not experienced enough and unproven. Are we ready for this...CHANGE?
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Magish
It is:

Everyone earning less than $200,000 will receive a tax cut

Everyone earning less than $250,000 will receive no new taxes

And does it really matter about the tapes? Why is it a problem if Obama shook hands with a man who supports the Palestinian cause. It is about time a US politician took a hard look at our relationship with Israel.
Thank you!

We've helped them enough!
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 12:43 PM
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california doesn't matter.. obama has it locked up.. it's the other swing states that every vote will count! With obama the government will control more of your life.
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Traxamillion
california doesn't matter.. obama has it locked up.. it's the other swing states that every vote will count! With obama the government will control more of your life.
And McCain is not interested in more I suppose. Anyone with enough ambition to be president in this day and age wants control.
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kc6794
I'm considered to be the 8% of the undecided voters out there. It would really matter to me that this tape be at least looked at. I know that the owner of the tape does not want it to be shown, but it's very suspicious.
I agree that the tape should be looked at, however I simply do not see why it is that important.

Originally Posted by kc6794
Associations with radicals is a very serious concern to the American public...
Obviously it is not that important given the undue influence of the extreme Christian right (Jerry Falwell, Focus on the Family) on American politics.

Originally Posted by kc6794
.why do you think Barrack Husein OBAMA distanced himself from Rev Wright? This guy Barrack is not experienced enough and unproven. Are we ready for this...CHANGE?
For the same reason I distance myself from the priest who I listed to growing up who preached about the evils of homosexuality while secretly molesting little boys on the side. Simply because I listened to his sermons for 15 years does not mean that I believed everything he said. I am not a homophobe and I am not a pedophile.

And YES I truly believe that we are ready for "this...CHANGE," which is an absolutely necessary one for the future of our country. While Obama may not have as much experience as John McCain, experience is not necessarily what we need right now. We need new ideas, and a president who is willing to look at all sides of the issues and make a reasoned judgments. That does not require being in the senate for twenty-odd years.

Furthermore, the CHANGE is not huge. Obama's economic plan is not anymore socialist than Clinton's. Raising taxes is not socialist when it is necessary for the economic stability of our country and our government.
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Old Oct 30, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kc6794
What is it, $250,000 or $200,000 or what Biden said $150,000, or maybe what Obama said a year ago $42,000? And oh yeah, release those tapes LAtimes!!
Hey, hey now. I just want to spread the wealth around
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

IBrepublicanrhetoric

also, both candidates with their economic plans will explode the budget even more then GW has.

Originally Posted by http://www.breitbart.com


WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.

Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are—beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

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THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years—and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

___

THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

THE FACTS: His proposals—the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more—cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged—although not in his commercial—that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

___

THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

___

THE SPIN: "We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq, when they have a $79 billion surplus. It seems to me that if we're going to be strong at home as well as strong abroad that we've got to look at bringing that war to a close." These lines in the ad were taken from a debate with McCain.

THE FACTS: Obama was once and very often definitive about getting combat troops out in 16 months (At times during the primaries, he promised to do so within a year). More recently, without backing away explicitly from the 16-month withdrawal pledge, he has talked of the need for flexibility. In the primaries, it would have been a jarring departure for him to have said merely that "we've got to look at" ending the war. As for Iraq's surplus, it's true that Iraq could end up with a surplus that large, but that hasn't happened yet.
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
Where do I get a sign that says:

"This 2 party system sucks my *****"
i'll buy one and plant it in my folks' front yard.
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Old Oct 30, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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Steve, you have way too much time on your hands...
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 02:35 PM
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that was 15 minutes... skills with avatars jourdan

This one took forever though:

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