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Should a photo of an armed Marine be posted at a school?
March 29, 2005
- By Shellie Bailey-Shah
and KATU Web Staff
Salem, Ore. - A picture of a Marine holding an assault rifle has sparked a wave of controversy at a Salem high school.
The problem began when the Marine's sister brought the picture to McKay High School to post on a classroom bulletin board.
The assignment was to show McKay graduates at work.
However, the principal of the school, Cynthia Richardson, would not allow the picture to go up because of the school's zero tolerance policy on weapons.
"What message am I sending to my students if I post that picture?" she asked.
What do you think?
All it takes is one look around the school to see that there may be a problem with that logic, considering that the school mascot is seen carrying a sword.
"He has a sword. (That is) so true. We might have to revisit that," said Richardson when KATU News asked her about the mascot's imagery.
If you look at the school policy pertaining to weapons, there is no word about pictures of weapons.
Richardson says she made the best decision she could at the time and still stands by her belief that the picture should not go up at the school.
The school has offered to post the picture with the guns digitally removed, but the soldier and his family say that is not enough to put the issue to rest.
"It's not just a picture in dress blues. It is a picture of real life and there are guns. And he just wants everyone to know that the war is still going on and it's real life," said Shea Riecke, the soldier's sister.
"We're very proud of him," said Connie Riecke, the soldier's mother. "We're proud every day."
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http://marinecorpsmoms.com/archives/..._on_salem.html
Should a photo of an armed Marine be posted at a school?
March 29, 2005
- By Shellie Bailey-Shah
and KATU Web Staff
Salem, Ore. - A picture of a Marine holding an assault rifle has sparked a wave of controversy at a Salem high school.
The problem began when the Marine's sister brought the picture to McKay High School to post on a classroom bulletin board.
The assignment was to show McKay graduates at work.
However, the principal of the school, Cynthia Richardson, would not allow the picture to go up because of the school's zero tolerance policy on weapons.
"What message am I sending to my students if I post that picture?" she asked.
What do you think?
All it takes is one look around the school to see that there may be a problem with that logic, considering that the school mascot is seen carrying a sword.
"He has a sword. (That is) so true. We might have to revisit that," said Richardson when KATU News asked her about the mascot's imagery.
If you look at the school policy pertaining to weapons, there is no word about pictures of weapons.
Richardson says she made the best decision she could at the time and still stands by her belief that the picture should not go up at the school.
The school has offered to post the picture with the guns digitally removed, but the soldier and his family say that is not enough to put the issue to rest.
"It's not just a picture in dress blues. It is a picture of real life and there are guns. And he just wants everyone to know that the war is still going on and it's real life," said Shea Riecke, the soldier's sister.
"We're very proud of him," said Connie Riecke, the soldier's mother. "We're proud every day."
More here:
http://marinecorpsmoms.com/archives/..._on_salem.html
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I understand the zero-tolerance weapons policy especially with the recent High School shooting. I think you could display how proud you are of your son/daughter with a picture without the automatic weapons even though it is a fact of life over there. I just think they could find a nice middle ground to make everyone happy in this instance and it wouldn't be that big a deal...
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Middle ground!?
There is no middle ground when dealing with idiots.
The principal needs to offer a public apology to the Marine's sister and then be fired.
Liberalism!!
There is no middle ground when dealing with idiots.
The principal needs to offer a public apology to the Marine's sister and then be fired.
Liberalism!!
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It's not like the principal is doing this because she doesn't support the war or something like that. They have a zero-tolerance policy about weapons. If a kid brought in a picture of his father posing over some wild game that he had taken with his 30-06 then the picture couldn't be hung in the school. Once again this is getting turned into a partisan issue when it really isn't. You can't allow exceptions in any instance that's why it's called a zero tolerance policy.
While we are at it conservativism and communism and definately facism
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
It's not like the principal is doing this because she doesn't support the war or something like that. They have a zero-tolerance policy about weapons. If a kid brought in a picture of his father posing over some wild game that he had taken with his 30-06 then the picture couldn't be hung in the school. Once again this is getting turned into a partisan issue when it really isn't. You can't allow exceptions in any instance that's why it's called a zero tolerance policy.
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Originally Posted by ericdared81
Don't you think that zero-tolerance involves an actual weapon not a picture of one?
With the school shootings that have been going on for the last few years can you blame this lady for erring on the side of caution? Especially being so close to the last school shooting.
And my main point still is that as messed up as this policy may be I don't think it was done because of her views on the war, which is how it is made out to be.
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Yeah, this isn't even about 'liberalism' versus 'conservatism'. This is an administrator dong what she thought was best (in light of the extreme violance on HS campuses lately), and then the family using the politically polarized state of the country to make themselves feel better and 'win' against an establishment (schools). At every high school, during every generation, there are familys of students that cause s*** at the school. Happened at my HS, I'm sure it happened at all of yours. Someone doesn't like having to swim in PE because they're obese...someone doesn't like that fact that the last 10 homecoming queens were on ASB...someone doesn't like the fact that at a HS with 85% whites and 15% hispanics that only 2/10 ASB members are hispanic, etc, etc...
Bottom line is that the family should be ashamed that they're using their son's courage and good service to our nation as an excuse to 'win a battle' between the daughter and the admin. If they want a picture of their son up, put him up in his dress blues or whatever. That's how most people honor soldiers in pictures anyway, as far as I've ever seen. 'Action shots' of soldiers are more suited to GIJoe and the 'news'.
Bottom line is that the family should be ashamed that they're using their son's courage and good service to our nation as an excuse to 'win a battle' between the daughter and the admin. If they want a picture of their son up, put him up in his dress blues or whatever. That's how most people honor soldiers in pictures anyway, as far as I've ever seen. 'Action shots' of soldiers are more suited to GIJoe and the 'news'.
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I'd like to thumb through all of the various history books that are used at that HS and all of the books in the library.
I'll bet you that in at least one of those books, there's a picture of a Native American with a bow & arrow, a picture of a Zulu warrior with a spear, or a picture of Che Guava with a pistol.
The only reason why this particular picture is being "zero-toleranced" is because it has to do with the war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Had the girl brought in a picture of her grandfather in Europe during WW2, it would've been allowed.
This is what you meant to say, right?
I'll bet you that in at least one of those books, there's a picture of a Native American with a bow & arrow, a picture of a Zulu warrior with a spear, or a picture of Che Guava with a pistol.
The only reason why this particular picture is being "zero-toleranced" is because it has to do with the war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Had the girl brought in a picture of her grandfather in Europe during WW2, it would've been allowed.
This is what you meant to say, right?
Bottom line is that the admin should be ashamed that they're allowing their anti-war & anti-Bush feeeeeeelings to deminish a son's courage and good service to our nation .
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Originally Posted by Oaf
I'd like to thumb through all of the various history books that are used at that HS and all of the books in the library.
I'll bet you that in at least one of those books, there's a picture of a Native American with a bow & arrow, a picture of a Zulu warrior with a spear, or a picture of Che Guava with a pistol.
The only reason why this particular picture is being "zero-toleranced" is because it has to do with the war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Had the girl brought in a picture of her grandfather in Europe during WW2, it would've been allowed.
I'll bet you that in at least one of those books, there's a picture of a Native American with a bow & arrow, a picture of a Zulu warrior with a spear, or a picture of Che Guava with a pistol.
The only reason why this particular picture is being "zero-toleranced" is because it has to do with the war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Had the girl brought in a picture of her grandfather in Europe during WW2, it would've been allowed.
I bet if they had a pic with the soldiers and their sidearms holstered, no automatic weapons it wouldn't be a problem but these are automatic weapons. Kids don't storm into schools with spears and bow's and arrows to kill other students and teachers. And I doubt there is a book with Che Guava hanging up in the library, picture exposed showing him brandishing his weapon. I bet they would have no problem if the picture was kept in the students locker or trapper keeper or whatever.
You are polarizing an issue that shouldn't be polarized.
And after the reporter mentioned that the mascot had a sword then she said they will have to take that into account. But again people do not storm into schools with swords and stab people.
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You have absolutly NO proof that the administrator is even liberal, other than your own prejudices and ignorances.
Silver said it:
"And my main point still is that as messed up as this policy may be I don't think it was done because of her views on the war, which is how it is made out to be."
You're right, muzzle loading rifles, WWII bolt actions, bows and arrows, etc...prolly would be allowed in historical pictures. But this was an assault rifle, the weapon of choice for school shootings. Furthermore, this was a display about alumni. Do you think they have a picture of a MD in his scrubs with an opened patient in front of him? I doubt it. Most people, when having pictures taken of their jobs, don't actually have pictures of their work. They have pictures in their suits and ties. Or, for the military equivalent, thier dress uniforms.
I'd like to see any form of actuall proof that the majority of HS administrators are even liberals. At my school (MtnView HS), there were 5 administrators, 2 were very liberal, but the other 3 were just as conservative as the other 2 were liberal.
Silver said it:
"And my main point still is that as messed up as this policy may be I don't think it was done because of her views on the war, which is how it is made out to be."
You're right, muzzle loading rifles, WWII bolt actions, bows and arrows, etc...prolly would be allowed in historical pictures. But this was an assault rifle, the weapon of choice for school shootings. Furthermore, this was a display about alumni. Do you think they have a picture of a MD in his scrubs with an opened patient in front of him? I doubt it. Most people, when having pictures taken of their jobs, don't actually have pictures of their work. They have pictures in their suits and ties. Or, for the military equivalent, thier dress uniforms.
I'd like to see any form of actuall proof that the majority of HS administrators are even liberals. At my school (MtnView HS), there were 5 administrators, 2 were very liberal, but the other 3 were just as conservative as the other 2 were liberal.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
MVWRX, what is the defintion of an assault rifle?
The real point in this thread (which has been stated before) is that noone here knows what the politics of the administrator in question were; so none of us can say that her actions were politically motivated. In this case, I give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that her actions were motivated more by the recent happenings on school campuses having to do with guns than they were by her politics.