dr3d1zzl3

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soo you had to go from 1994 to 1998 to dig up any dirt on the other side..

pretty sad state of affairs dont you think?

haha

whats even funnier is that almost all of those cases center around two individuals.. haha

spedmunki

hmmmmmmmmmmmm? that was the last time a democrat was president......am I seeing a pattern here? Recent politician who have been corrupt are republicans...and we've had a republican president at that time....hmm?

this is one of the weakest threads i've seen in the politics forum....

SilverScoober02

:rotfl: I was thinking the exact same thing.

dr3d1zzl3

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am i seeing a patter of idiocy?

its weak because you cant even see the point we are trying to discuss, be it cognitive dissonance or just plain stupidity.

THE CHARGES YOU GUYS LEVELED AT THE DEMS ARE 10 ****ING YEARS OLD AND FOCUS AROUND THREE INDIVIDUALS

The charges the other side posted all happened in the last few years and were leveled at MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS



and you guys are trying to say that your side is less corrupt, which i disagree with completely

Corruption exists on both sides, just so happens that i feel it is more on the repub side for multiple reasons. Including the concentration of power to that side right now, as well as the ties to big corporations and big money on that side.

VIBEELEVEN

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Wrong

Yes it does, but do you really think the conservatives are the only ones tied to "big money"?

Exactly my point, wichever party is in power or in the majority is going to face allegations of wrong doing.

bored_with_life

Agreed, the side thats in power has a sense of invincability. Obviously they are in deeper than they can handle. I'll post some more recent stuff later.

1reguL8NSTi

I can agree with you there, absolutely. That being said though how do you expect to find an equal in allegations (whether convicted or not) with Reps. in charge? You just admitted that had a Democrat been in office there WOULD BE more allegations of wrong doing. Case in point, each side is equal when in comes to breaking laws in office. Why, because people with power are the biggest victims to temptation.

jvick125

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Someone that was obviously bored with life, duh.

VIBEELEVEN

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http://www.cjrdaily.org/archives/000892.asp

If Kerry had one we'd be talking about Carville instead of Williams. Wich brings us back to the point that whoever is in office will be the one facing allegations of dishonesty, weather it be Reagan, Clinton or Bush.



Provided is a timeline of political scandals, you will see a trend in allegations to the party who happens to be in power.

http://www.cjrdaily.org/archives/000892.asp

1975 - 1999

* "Lancegate": President Carter's OMB Director Bert Lance resignation amidst allegations of misuse of funds (1977)
* Tongsun Park "Koreagate" scandal involving alleged bribery of more than 100 members of Congress by South Korean government; charges were pressed only against congressmen Richard T. Hanna (convicted) and Otto E. Passman (not prosecuted because of illness); also implicated was South Korean President Park Chung Hee (1977-1980)
* Betty Ford addictions (1978)
* Senator Herman Talmadge of Georgia punished after his ex-wife produced cash "gifts" he had hidden in an overcoat (1979); Talmadge later wrote, "I wish I'd burned that damn overcoat and charged everything on American Express." Talmadge the same year admitted to having spent five weeks in alcohol rehabilitation; he was not re-elected to the Senate in 1980.
* Abscam (1980)
* "Debategate": briefing book of President Jimmy Carter stolen and given to Ronald Reagan campaign before 1980 presidential election debate in Cleveland, Ohio (1980)
* October Surprise (1980)
* Anne Gorsuch Burford refusal to turn over EPA documents (1982)
* William Casey insider trading (1983)
* Iran-Contra affair (1985-1986)
* Savings and loan scandal and the Keating Five (1980-1989): Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, Don Riegle, John Glenn, and John McCain
* "Pothead jurist," 1987: President Reagan's first controversial nominee to replace Justice Powell was Judge Robert Bork. Judge Bork, who coincidentally had fired Archibald *** in the Nixon-era Saturday Night Massacre, was rejected for his allegedly extreme judicial philosophy; the second nominee was Judge Douglas Ginsberg, who had to drop out of consideration after he admitted having smoked marijuana while a Harvard Law School professor.
* Senator John Tower's nomination as Defense Secretary derailed due to allegations of habitual and extreme alcohol abuse and improper ties to defense industry (1987)
* Mario Biaggi convicted (1988) in Wedtech scandal of bribery, extortion, racketeering, filing a false tax return, mail fraud, and false financial disclosure; resigned from U.S. House before he could be expelled
* Speaker of the U.S. House Jim Wright from Texas forced to resign after ethics committee investigation found dozens of violations of House rules, including alleged improper receipt of $145,000 in gifts by Wright's wife from a Fort Worth developer and large profits from "sale" of Wright's speeches (1989)
* Anthony Lee Coelho of California resigns from U.S. House for unethical finance practices including "junk bond" deal (1989)
* Alcee Hastings, federal district court judge impeached (1989) and convicted of soliciting a bribe; subsequently elected (1992) to U.S. House
* Senator David Durenberger denounced by Senate for unethical financial transactions (1990)
* Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) scandal implicates former Defense Secretary and Washington insider Clark Clifford (1991)
* House Bank scandal (1992)
* Mary Rose Oakar (1992) allegations of "ghost employees" on payroll
* President George H.W. Bush's pardon of 6 Iran-Contra affair figures on his last day in office ( January 20, 1993), days before the perjury trial of Casper Weinberger was scheduled to begin.
* Travelgate (1993)
* Zoe Baird's nomination as Attorney General and Kimba Wood's subsequent near-nomination were derailed by past employment of illegal aliens as nannies. (1993)
* Walter Fauntroy, Delegate to Congress from the District of Columbia, guilty plea regarding lying on financial disclosure form (1995)
* Wes Cooley (1996)
* Walter R. Tucker III of California resigned before bribery conviction (1996)
* Secretary of Agriculture Michael Espy forced to resign from office despite ultimate acquittal on criminal corruption charges (1998)
* Bruce Babbitt, Interior Secretary, independent probe (1998-2000) of alleged lying to Congress concerning influence of money in 1995 American Indian tribe casino decision finds no criminally prosecutable perjury by Babbitt
* Vice-President Al Gore (1998) allegations of improper fundraising and "no controlling legal authority" defense
* Whitewater scandal (1994-2000)
* Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich financial improprieties
* Dan Rostenkowski post office scandal (1994)
* Henry Cisneros resigns as Housing Secretary and, after lengthy probe that began in 1995, pleads guilty (1999) to lying to the FBI about money he paid former mistress Linda Medlar a.k.a. Linda Jones; later pardoned by President Clinton in 2001 (Possibly reclassify or cross-reference to Sex scandal)
* Pardongate (1999, 2001)

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2000 -

* Linda Chavez, nomination as Secretary of Labor derailed by past employment of illegal alien. (2001)
* Jim Traficant financial corruption conviction and expulsion from House (2002)
* Robert Torricelli bribery scandal (2002)
* Trent Lott resigned as Senate majority leader amid racial controversy
* Yellowcake forgery false evidence presented in case for 2003 invasion of Iraq (2003)
* Valerie Plame affair (2004), eventually implicating Karl Rove (2005)
* Halliburton Company (2000-2004)
* Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse scandal (2004-2005)
* Tom Delay, reprimanded twice by House Ethics Committee and indictments of aides (2004-2005)
* Bernard Kerik, nomination as Secretary of Homeland Security derailed by past employment of illegal alien as nanny, and amid allegations of various other ethical improprieties. (2004)
* Bush administration payment of columnists including Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher and Michael McManus (2004-2005)
* Downing Street Memo minutes of U.K. government secret meeting (dated 23 July 2002, leaked 2005) include summary of MI6 Director Sir Richard Dearlove's report that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy."
* Duke Cunningham (R-Cal.) announces (2005) he will not seek reelection in 2006 after investigation into financial misdealings
* Jack Abramoff, Republican lobbyist and key figure in Tom DeLay scandal, is indicted on wire fraud charges (August 2005).
* Abramoff-Reed Indian Gambling Scandal A separate grand jury investigation involving Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist

State and local-level scandals

* Alabama Governor Harold Guy Hunt convicted of improperly using campaign money and removed from office (1993)
* Arizona Governor Evan Mecham impeached and removed from office 1988, faced with recall, pending criminal charges for illegal financial dealings (of which he was later acquitted), and public outcry over his derogatory remarks about African-Americans and gays, and his cancelation of Arizona's observance of the Martin Luther King holiday (which led to a boycott of Arizona by various groups)
* Arizona "AZSCAM" legislators caught on videotape taking payoffs for favors to gambling figure
* Arizona Governor John Fife Symington III convicted of fraud (1997)
* Arkansas Governor James Guy Tucker, Jr., convicted of fraud conspiracy (1996); See related Whitewater scandal, under Federal-Level Scandals
* Arkansas Governor Powell Clayton investigated for corruption but cleared (1868-1871)
* Arkansas Governor William Jefferson Clinton: See Federal-level scandals, which dogged President Clinton
* California San Francisco Mayor Eugene Edward Schmitz convicted of graft and bribery, including misconduct during the Great Earthquake (1906-1907); convictions later overturned on appeal
* Connecticut Republican Governor John Rowland Bribery
* District of Columbia Democratic Mayor Marion Barry caught on videotape using drugs in an FBI sting
* Florida Governor Harrison Reed subjected to three separate impeachment inquiries (1868-1872)
* Illinois Republican Governor George H. Ryan involved in sale of government licenses and contracts while he was Secretary of State
* Illinois Governor Lennington "Len" Small, associate of Al Capone, embezzled, sold pardons, etc., but was never convicted
* Illinois Chicago alderman "Bathhouse John" Coughlin graft operation with fellow alderman Michael "Hinky Dink" Kenna, the so-called "Lords of the Levee" extracting protection payments from gambling and prostitution
* Illinois Chicago Mayor William Hale Thompson, years of ongoing corruption
* Illinois Governor Otto Kerner, Jr. bribery, mail fraud, conspiracy, and tax evasion: see Federal-Level Scandals, as Kerner was found out and convicted after becoming a federal judge
* Operation Greylord in Illinois, involving influence peddling and bribery of Circuit Court judges (1980s)
* Indiana Governor Warren McCray: forced to resign after conviction for mail fraud (1924)
* Indiana Governor Edward F. Jackson: taking bribes and trying to bribe a previous Governor on behalf of the Ku Klux Klan (1928)
* Kansas Governor Charles Robinson impeached but acquitted of state bond scheme (1862)
* Kentucky State Treasurer James Williams "Honest Dick" Tate ran off with the entire state treasury and was impeached (1888)
* Kentucky 1899 gubernatorial election dispute leading to armed conflict and assassination of William Goebel (1900)
* Louisiana In what was called the Louisiana Scandals, Governor Richard W. Leche (and others including the LSU president) were convicted of corruption relating to the influence of the followers of Huey Long and the Long family.
* Louisiana Democratic Governor Earl Long committed to insane asylum while in office
* Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards convicted of extortion (2000)
* Maryland State Senator Tommie Broadwater, Jr., convicted of food stamp fraud, 1983
* Maryland Governor Marvin Mandel convicted of mail fraud and racketeering (1977)
* Maryland Governor Spiro Agnew (see Federal-level Scandals, as his gubernatorial misconduct did not catch up to him until after he was Vice-President of the United States)
* Maryland politician Ruthann Aron (Montgomery County Council and former 1994 Republican candidate for U.S. Senate) who ran on a "tough on crime" platform convicted of hiring "contract" hit man William H. Mossburg Jr., in 1997, to kill her husband and a lawyer (1998)
* Maryland Senate President Thomas V. "Mike" Miller telephoning Maryland Court of Appeals Judges ex parte, trying to lobby them not to overturn the unconstitutional redistricting plan he had championed (2002)
* Massachusetts politician James Michael Curley, various allegations of corruption and a few convictions in first half of twentieth century
* Minnesota Minneapolis city council members Brian Herron (taped by FBI accepting $10,000 bribe in 2001) and Joe Biernat (accepting free plumbing work on house)
* Minnesota Democratic consultant and businessman Pat Forciea convicted of extensive bank fraud charges
* Mississippi Governor John A. Quitman resigned (1851) after indictment for violation of Neutrality Act in connection with Cuban insurrection against Spain (later acquitted of charges)
* Missouri Thomas J. Pendergast "machine boss" in Kansas City convicted of tax fraud (1939)
* Nebraska Governor David C. Butler impeached and removed from office (1871)
* New Hampshire former Governor Llewelyn Sherman Adams Chief of Staff to President Eisenhower forced from office in "Vicuna Coat" scandal involving giving special favors to givers of gifts (1958)
* New Jersey Jersey City Mayor Frank Hague resigns as mayor (1947) amid accusations of widespread corruption; resigns other party offices later on
* New Jersey Democratic Governor Jim McGreevey sex and corruption scandal (2004)
* New York Tammany Hall (1854-1934) See Federal-level scandals, because the influence of the New York City political machine was felt at the national level
* New York Chief Judge Sol Wachtler, scandal involving obsence telephone calls and extortion (1993)
* North Carolina Governor William Woods Holden impeached and removed from office in corruption scandal (1870)
* North Dakota Governor William Langer removed from office (1934) for alleged racketeering
* Dakota Territorial Governor Nehemiah Ordway corruption (1884) See Federal-level scandals.
* Ohio Cincinnati City Council member (and later Mayor) Jerry Springer resigned (1974) after vice investigation uncovered personal check he had paid a prostitute
* Ohio Summit County Probate Judge James V. Barbuto corruption by trading sexual favors with female defendants for leniency in their cases, exposed on national TV by Geraldo Rivera (1980) (classified here because it was less a Sex Scandal than a "crooked judge" scandal, although Geraldo played up Judge Barbuto's preference for being spanked while wearing women's undergarments)
* Oklahoma Governor John C. Walton impeached and removed (1923)
* Oklahoma Governor Harry S. Johnston impeached twice, second time convicted and removed (1928-1929)
* Oklahoma Governor David Lee Walters pleaded guilty to misdemeanor election law violation (1993)
* Oregon Governor La Fayette Grover (later U.S. Senator) implicated, but eventually exonerated, in vote-rigging scheme to give Oregon's electoral votes in the 1876 presidential election to Democrat Samuel Tilden
* Pennsylvania State Treasurer Budd Dwyer committed suicide on television before he was to be sentenced on bribery and related convictions (1987)
* Rhode Island Providence Mayor Vincent Cianci convicted of racketeering conspiracy (2002)
* Tennessee Governor Ray Blanton loses his reelection bid after exposure of a bribery scandal, (1976-1979)
* Tennessee State Senators John Ford, Kathryn Bowers, Ward Crutchfield accused of bribery among other charges in Operation Tennessee Waltz scandal (2005)
* Texas Governor James Edward Ferguson impeached and removed from office for financial misconduct (1917)
* Texas Governor Miriam "Ma" Ferguson, first woman elected Governor of a state in the U.S. and wife of the removed ex-governor, was implicated in the same financial improprieties that had brought "Pa" down and lost the Democratic primary in 1926
* Texas George Parr, the so-called "Duke of Duval County," suspected but never convicted of various illegal activities, including ballot box stuffing and fraud (1905-1975)
* Texas The Veterans Land Board Scandal tainted many prominent state politicians, including Governor Allan Shivers. (1954)
* Sharpstown scandal in Texas (1971-1972)
* Wisconsin Governor William Augustus Barstow resigned 1856 amid investigation of corrupt business practices and election wrongdoing

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Sex Scandals

* Sally Hemings-Thomas Jefferson affair (alleged)
* Alexander Hamilton-Maria Reynolds affair (1797)
* Petticoat Affair or Eaton Affair
* President James Buchanan and Senator William Rufus King were the subject of scandalous gossip (alleging a homosexual affair) in Washington, DC for many years
* Warren Harding-Carrie Phillips-Nan Britton mistresses and pay-offs
* Walter Jenkins (1964)
* Wilbur Mills-Fanne Foxe (1972)
* Wayne Hays-Elizabeth Ray scandal (1976)
* John Young (1976)
* Allan Howe (1976)
* Fred Richmond (1978)
* Robert Bauman (1980)
* Jon Hinson (1981)
* Thomas Evans-Paula Parkinson (1981)
* Dan Crane and Gerry Studds Congressional Page sex scandal (1983)
* Gary Hart-Donna Rice scandal (1987)
* Ernie Konnyu (1987)
* Brock Adams (1988)
* Jim Bates (1988)
* Gus Savage (1989)
* Barney Frank (1989)
* Donald "Buz" Lukens scandal (1989)
* Arlan Stangeland (1990)
* Chuck Robb-Tai Collins affair (1991)
* Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill sexual harassment scandal (1991)
* Daniel Inouye (1992)
* Bob Packwood sexual harassment scandal (1995)
* Mel Reynolds (1995)
* Bob Livingston (1998)
* Henry Hyde "youthful indiscretion" (1998)
* Bill Clinton - Monica Lewinsky scandal (1998)
* Chandra Levy-Gary Condit (2001)
* Steven C. LaTourette affair with staffer (2003)
* The Washingtonienne scandal (2004)
* Illinois Republican U.S. Senate candidate Jack Ryan Sex Clubs (2004)
* New Jersey Democratic Governor Jim McGreevey – closeted homosexual extramarital affair (2004)

MVWRX

iTrader: (1)

Extenisive list...it does look, though, that there are considerably more things linked to republicans than democrats, especially after 1990. Even with Clinton, there isn't that much. Not to mention that 'sex scandals' are barely corruption, since most of them listed are not even illegal acts (perhaps immoral, but that's not corruption...).

VIBEELEVEN

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I knew that would come up, Clinton actually has his own section there. But the reason I posted anything in this thread wasn't to compare and contrast a point that one side is more corrupt than the other, it was to dispute those claims made in this thread. If I really wanted to participate in the little proposed game, I would have edited out the conservatives and conveniently forgot to post the link. But I didn't unlike others here, the objective of my posts were to enlighten some to the reality that no one political affiliation is dirtier than the other. These little constraints you guys put on classifying something as corruption really crack me up. Hypathetical situation: Say Barbra Boxer actually turned out to be a transgender member of the church of satan who showed up to work drunk every day, That's not illegal, therefore doesn't fit your defenition of corruption. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it right.

jvick125

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You guys just wont give up. One of the reasons I'm not a fan of the left wingers. If god came down and told them abortion is wrong, they still would fight for it.

MVWRX

iTrader: (1)

Showing up to drunk everyday to work is against the policy of the office, so basically it is illegal...the part about transgender and satan, I don't care it'd be fine if she was like that and did her job as she had been before anyone found out she was all of those things...


just like I don't care about intermarital affairs as long as it's not rape (statutory or otherswise...)

MVWRX

iTrader: (1)

Uh....if God came down, I'd be totally f***ed so I wouldn't give a damn about what he said at that point...I'd already be going to hell.


And the reason noone's given up on this thread is because the proponderance of evidense really does point towards there being more corruption in the republican party than in the democrats...yes, the democrats seem to be more sexually deranged, but they seem to be doing immoral things as opposed to illegal (by law or by rule)...

MVWRX

iTrader: (1)

Really, what I come away from this thread with, is not that conservatives are 'more corrupt' always. What I see is that republicans tend to use their power to deal with money illegally, while democrats use their power to get sex...sometimes illegally.