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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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does this scare the crap out of anyone else?

WTF!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...002217_pf.html

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Pentagon to Detail Troops to Bolster Domestic Security

By Spencer S. Hsu and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, December 1, 2008; A01

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement.

But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, dedicating 20,000 troops to domestic response -- a nearly sevenfold increase in five years -- "would have been extraordinary to the point of unbelievable," Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, said in remarks last month at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But the realization that civilian authorities may be overwhelmed in a catastrophe prompted "a fundamental change in military culture," he said.

The Pentagon's plan calls for three rapid-reaction forces to be ready for emergency response by September 2011. The first 4,700-person unit, built around an active-duty combat brigade based at Fort Stewart, Ga., was available as of Oct. 1, said Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr., commander of the U.S. Northern Command.

If funding continues, two additional teams will join nearly 80 smaller National Guard and reserve units made up of about 6,000 troops in supporting local and state officials nationwide. All would be trained to respond to a domestic chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive attack, or CBRNE event, as the military calls it.

Military preparations for a domestic weapon-of-mass-destruction attack have been underway since at least 1996, when the Marine Corps activated a 350-member chemical and biological incident response force and later based it in Indian Head, Md., a Washington suburb. Such efforts accelerated after the Sept. 11 attacks, and at the time Iraq was invaded in 2003, a Pentagon joint task force drew on 3,000 civil support personnel across the United States.

In 2005, a new Pentagon homeland defense strategy emphasized "preparing for multiple, simultaneous mass casualty incidents." National security threats were not limited to adversaries who seek to grind down U.S. combat forces abroad, McHale said, but also include those who "want to inflict such brutality on our society that we give up the fight," such as by detonating a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city.

In late 2007, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed a directive approving more than $556 million over five years to set up the three response teams, known as CBRNE Consequence Management Response Forces. Planners assume an incident could lead to thousands of casualties, more than 1 million evacuees and contamination of as many as 3,000 square miles, about the scope of damage Hurricane Katrina caused in 2005.

Last month, McHale said, authorities agreed to begin a $1.8 million pilot project funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency through which civilian authorities in five states could tap military planners to develop disaster response plans. Hawaii, Massachusetts, South Carolina, Washington and West Virginia will each focus on a particular threat -- pandemic flu, a terrorist attack, hurricane, earthquake and catastrophic chemical release, respectively -- speeding up federal and state emergency planning begun in 2003.

Last Monday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates ordered defense officials to review whether the military, Guard and reserves can respond adequately to domestic disasters.

Gates gave commanders 25 days to propose changes and cost estimates. He cited the work of a congressionally chartered commission, which concluded in January that the Guard and reserve forces are not ready and that they lack equipment and training.

Bert B. Tussing, director of homeland defense and security issues at the U.S. Army War College's Center for Strategic Leadership, said the new Pentagon approach "breaks the mold" by assigning an active-duty combat brigade to the Northern Command for the first time. Until now, the military required the command to rely on troops requested from other sources.

"This is a genuine recognition that this [job] isn't something that you want to have a pickup team responsible for," said Tussing, who has assessed the military's homeland security strategies.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the libertarian Cato Institute are troubled by what they consider an expansion of executive authority.

Domestic emergency deployment may be "just the first example of a series of expansions in presidential and military authority," or even an increase in domestic surveillance, said Anna Christensen of the ACLU's National Security Project. And Cato Vice President Gene Healy warned of "a creeping militarization" of homeland security.

"There's a notion that whenever there's an important problem, that the thing to do is to call in the boys in green," Healy said, "and that's at odds with our long-standing tradition of being wary of the use of standing armies to keep the peace."

McHale stressed that the response units will be subject to the act, that only 8 percent of their personnel will be responsible for security and that their duties will be to protect the force, not other law enforcement. For decades, the military has assigned larger units to respond to civil disturbances, such as during the Los Angeles riot in 1992.

U.S. forces are already under heavy strain, however. The first reaction force is built around the Army's 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team, which returned in April after 15 months in Iraq. The team includes operations, aviation and medical task forces that are to be ready to deploy at home or overseas within 48 hours, with units specializing in chemical decontamination, bomb disposal, emergency care and logistics.

The one-year domestic mission, however, does not replace the brigade's next scheduled combat deployment in 2010. The brigade may get additional time in the United States to rest and regroup, compared with other combat units, but it may also face more training and operational requirements depending on its homeland security assignments.

Renuart said the Pentagon is accounting for the strain of fighting two wars, and the need for troops to spend time with their families. "We want to make sure the parameters are right for Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. The 1st Brigade's soldiers "will have some very aggressive training, but will also be home for much of that."

Although some Pentagon leaders initially expected to build the next two response units around combat teams, they are likely to be drawn mainly from reserves and the National Guard, such as the 218th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade from South Carolina, which returned in May after more than a year in Afghanistan.

Now that Pentagon strategy gives new priority to homeland security and calls for heavier reliance on the Guard and reserves, McHale said, Washington has to figure out how to pay for it.

"It's one thing to decide upon a course of action, and it's something else to make it happen," he said. "It's time to put our money where our mouth is."
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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so they know we are going to get attacked at multiple locations at one time

and the fact they dont pay attention to teh constitution
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 12:01 PM
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Attacked in more than one location or not putting all your eggs in one basket?

Not sure if anything has changed really. I mean if a nuke went off we'd send regular Army troops to the scene like we've done for Hurricane relief, etc. What role they took would depend on the aftermath and tone of the situation thereafter.

When I was in entire Brigades and Battalions rotated on a domestic QRF just after 9/11. We were issued riot gear and prepared to go anywhere in the US. I got out about a year later and we were still rotating through the entire division. Problem I saw when I was doing it was that we were all blood thirty airborne infantrymen not designed for that type of job. We were minimally trained on how to maintain order.

It's a problem and debate in regard to international peacekeeping missions, too. If they do designate a division or multiple brigade size elements to this mission then they need to train them on how to handle the civilians they've sworn to protect. No bull**** this time.
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i know it's not this intense but, martial law came to mind.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 12:19 PM
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Recent events in India make for a good case to provide this level of enforcement. The police and local task forces are ill equiped and undertrained to deal with this sort of threat. I think it would too much to ask of a civilian to counter terrorists that are trained in a military manner. I'm not the least bit fearful of military personnel who wear the stars and stripes. Personally I think a new branch of the armed services could be justified. Why not, we've adopted the Coast Guard as a domestic force to police our water ways.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 12:39 PM
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At least their not Blue Helmets.

But using the military for police-type work is like using a sledge hammer to hang a picture.
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why would they need any fire arm at all?
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Also, seeing that the economy is ****, all of these soldiers that are being pulled out of Iraq are gonna need a job.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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They're acting as a QRF, nothign wrong with that. If something goes down on a large scale we'll need them. Why not put them in place now staged and ready for anything? I'd be more worried about the ATF. They seem to be willing to kill anyone and kick down anyones door based on hunches alone.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Also, seeing that the economy is ****, all of these soldiers that are being pulled out of Iraq are gonna need a job.
Word!!! I just hope they can find jobs.

I'd rather have our boys doing homeland security than Iraq security.
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This shouldn't scare anyone. If anything it should make you feel better that they all aren't over in the sandbox and if something did go down we would have the help that they have provided in disaster situations so many times in the past.
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
They're acting as a QRF, nothign wrong with that. If something goes down on a large scale we'll need them. Why not put them in place now staged and ready for anything? I'd be more worried about the ATF. They seem to be willing to kill anyone and kick down anyones door based on hunches alone.
i thought fema was goign to do the shady stuff?
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hmmm... stuff like this sucks.
Old Dec 6, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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yeah,makes me wonder if that crazy customer i was talking to was right all along about FEMA camps and marshal law. lol
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