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Old 06-18-2008, 11:15 PM
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Documentary: No End In Sight

Unbelievable... the more you learn about the Iraq war the more f'd up beyond imagination you realize it is.

Go rent "No End In Sight"... or watch it online at Netflix.

I would especially love to hear from those in the military what you think of this documentary. (And thank you for your service)
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I take any documentary with a grain of salt. There's almost always a point that the producer tries to present, whether you're for it or against it.

I'll put it on my cue.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
I take any documentary with a grain of salt. There's almost always a point that the producer tries to present, whether you're for it or against it.
That's a good policy. I do that too.

But give the documentary a chance... and decide for yourself. But I think you'll be outraged.
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Yah everything is biased.
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Propaganda. I'm sure the video show's how wrong the war is and interviews soldiers that tell the viewer how horrible things are over there. Also, I'm sure it makes mention of plausible conspiracy theories...

Just like that fat dude michael Moore. Turns out he was full of **** too.
I don't buy into that stuff.
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Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
Propaganda. I'm sure the video show's how wrong the war is and interviews soldiers that tell the viewer how horrible things are over there. Also, I'm sure it makes mention of plausible conspiracy theories...

Just like that fat dude michael Moore. Turns out he was full of **** too.
I don't buy into that stuff.
Michael Moores stuff has a lot more foil hat stuff.

This one interviews people who were directly involved in the research and advisory to the Bush administration; chairman of the national intelligence counsel (USA), director of strategic policy, etc etc.

Of course it has high production values and is edited to both shock and entertain; but there are many issues that are clear screw ups by the Bush administration. Bush for being like the spoiled Dean's son who let's other people study for him, Rumsfield who would ignore reports that didn't favor his plan, etc.

Watch it and decide for yourself.
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Pretty good synopsys of the book in an Amazon review. Although it slants towards a reelection motivation which was NOT the emphasis in the movie.

By Citizen John (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews
For those unfamiliar with the 2007 film by the same name, No End In Sight documents the management of the war in Iraq.

Charles Ferguson, award-winning documentarian, obtained candid interviews with officials such as Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of the State Department. These interviews were lengthy, hours in many cases, and the documentary film version only featured a small percentage of the material. Much of the best of this material works even better in book form.

The movie is no substitute for the book, which Ferguson wrote later and which benefited from a longer editing process, follow-on trips to the region, deeper and matured analysis, and even more interviews.

This is not an analysis of why the U.S. went to war. It is the classic account of what happened once the war began. No End In Sight informs us on how the big decisions were actually made and would probably serve as a textbook for the military academies.

Recall that after the Gulf War, which ended in February 1991, the first President Bush went on to lose the election of 1992 despite having been extremely popular during that war. The Iraq War, began in March 2003, would be managed differently.

The Iraq war was not going to end before the U.S. presidential election of November 2004. Paul Bremer, who went to Iraq in May 2003, would help see to that.

Interviewees tell how the demise of the original plan happened. But nobody wanted to risk themselves personally by going public in the midst of the nation's greatest housing boom. Time ate away at the players Ferguson interviewed. They needed to talk. That's how this book got started.

Meet Barbara Bodine, the ambassador placed in charge of the city of Baghdad by the Office for Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance. She was determined to help the Iraqis to manage their affairs and thereby bring home the troops.

Ambassador Bodine had needed, perhaps more than others, to get things right in Baghdad. A capable in-fighter in her own right, Bodine was hung out to dry.

Bodine's long career as a stateswoman had become controversial when as Ambassador to the Republic of Yemen, she denied FBI agent John P. O'Neill re-entry into Yemen to continue his command of the FBI investigation into the USS Cole bombing. This was just a turf spat between State and FBI.

Some scholars now believe that O'Neill would have uncovered the 9/11 plot in time to save lives, as O'Neill had already put together several important pieces of the puzzle that became 9/11. (O'Neill was subsequently investigated for losing a briefcase and many feel he was forced out of the FBI, not having recovered from losing the turf battle in Yemen. He became the head of security at the World Trade Center, where he was killed in the September 11, 2001 attacks.)

Colonel Paul Hughes, a highly decorated former Army colonel, is another Iraq War veteran with tread marks on his back. He served in the Office of Post War Planning, the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance and the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.

Hughes is now a Senior Program Officer in the Center for Post-Conflict Peace and Stability Operations in the United States Institute for Peace (whatever all that means). Some colleagues say he lost a piece of his soul in Iraq and is searching for it. Good and troubled people reclined at Documentarian Ferguson's couch.

The cast of characters tells us how the insurgency got started. In particular, Paul Bremer replaced Jay Gardner in May 2003. Bremer took over as head of the Coalition Provisional Authority and reported directly to the U.S. Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. Bremer was tasked with re-jiggering the war in Iraq while on the home front efforts were made to push out liquidity.

Bremer made surprise decisions that contradicted all the meticulous planning of the U.S. experts on the ground in Iraq. He disbanded the Iraqi military, sending them home with their weapons and no income. He followed that up by removing Ba'ath party members from all government positions, resulting in collapse of law and order. In June 2004 Bremer was finished. He transferred limited sovereignty of Iraqi territory to the Iraqi Interim Government and got out.

Ferguson's interviewees seem mortified that one man could do so much to shape the war in so little time. Whose side was Bremer on? By all accounts, Bremer was courageous and industrious, exposing himself to countless risks. At the same time, his decisions could not have been more precisely targeted to thwart all efforts made by everyone else in-country to wrap up the mission and get the troops home.

In December 2004, President Bush awarded Bremer the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian award.

The Presidential Medal of Freedom has an interesting history of symbolism. Normally this medal is awarded to those close to a president or to celebrities that lend support to a president. The Presidential Medal of Freedom is often thought of as the "First Ladies Medal" - it has been awarded to Nancy Reagan, Rosalyn Carter, Betty Ford and Lady Bird Johnson.

Bremer never explained to Ferguson or anyone else why he did what he did. He returned a year later and promptly received the nation's highest civilian award. This award normally only goes to the closest associates of the president and supportive celebrities. But Bremer was neither.

One could conclude that Paul Bremer was merely following orders. If so, it would make sense that he could not disclose his real mission to others. His job may have been to disrupt what the others were doing in order to make the war last at least through the 2004 election.

No End In Sight makes a huge contribution in our effort to understand how the Iraq War was managed.
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