I disagree on needing a physical barrier. There are walls on the border, and they aren't walked around by illegals; they are dug under. Plus there are major environmental and cost concerns. I say use all the cameras they want to put at red lights and aim them at the border, with 24-7 monitoring by the natguard.

 

Both partys want illegals here? Then why don't we just ignore the problem like we have been for years...

 

I see what you're saying about tunnels but cameras and personel aren't cost concerns?

Why the heck do we need the national guard when we have a border patrol?

 

Cameras are defiinatly cost concerns; that's why wasting money on a fence is even worse, since cameras do just as good a job without a wall. We need the national guard because I trust soldiers to not be bribed by Mexicans and the Mexican gov't more than I trust border patrol (cops). Cops always get bribed in bad situations...I've never really heard of a soldier taking a bribe while serving.

 

Why not militarize the border patrol then? It seems(from your stance) the border patrol as it is is just more ineffective government waste.

 

Militarize it, disband it, do something. If they were doing their job correctly there wouldn't be an immigration problem.

 

I guess I'll put on my tin foil hat and say beaureaucracy and higher ups in the admin are probably more to blame than the actual enforcement personnel. I really think this is something many politicians don't want to fix.

 

Well, you notice that Bush is only addressing the border (some of it), and not the 15-20 million individual trespassers already here.

In a political environment in which cops are not allowed to enforce current laws, how is this ever going to work? Let me answer my own question.... it won't work.

 

Addressing the border HAS to be the first step. For obvious reasons.

Only when there is a zero or near zero number of illegals getting in can we address the issues of what to do with those that are alerady here.

The only way I can see beurocracy to blame for the border problem is if the border patrol is undermaned and needs money. Other than that, it has to be failure on the part of the patrol itself. Their task is not in any way a confusing one; look for and stop people jumping the border.

 

What do you mean? I don't think cops are having a problem enforcing laws. I could see your point if what you mean is that INS is not moving towards action against illegals that are here. However, I think if we close the border succesfully we would at least have the starting place and ability to apply time money and people towards figuring out how to legalize or (if you're willing to spend billions, wreck an economy, and rip families to shreds) deport illegals that are already here.



I can't believe I'm defending a decision Bush made with respects to immigration...

 

Cops pull over illegal aliens all the time. Cops respond to domestic abuse calls, etc, and often come to find out that of the people they encounter are not here legally. Guess what they do? Nothing. Per existing law, they should at least be identified and cited, right? What about if the cop sees a fake SS card in the guy's wallet? The cops do nothing.

The whole family argument doesn't fly, because it's sad ANY TIME one or both parents are criminals, and that always has an effect on the children. Parents go to jail all the time. Do we want to give someone a get-out-of-jail-free card if they procreate? Illegals who have had children here are guilty of more than just trespassing on U.S. soil. They've harmed their families by breaking the law.

There are many legal citizens and guest workers in this country to get the job done while we slowly deport the illegals over time. They all didn't come here overnight, so it's reasonable to assume it will take several decades to rid our country of the majority of lawbreakers.

I'm ok with legalizing a small minority of the trespassers, but only if they come forward when requested.

 

That's the problem with the left, the blind hatred for this man has caused many decry even rational policy.

 

Cause there are so many of those coming from Washington right now.

Don't mind me though I am just jaded. I just want someone that is fiscally conservative and somewhat middle of the road for President. Is that too much to ask?

The Libertarian party is looking better and better.

 

Not at all my friend.

Who did you vote for in 2000 though.

 

Amen brotha man!! haha so true though liberatarian seems the only way to go anymore