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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by spedmunki
are bikers a huge problem out on the west coast or something? in boston theres just mostly couriers and the likes and they're not too bad.
Try driving around downtown in the financial district of San Francisco and you'll run into them. They try to fake out cars by coming up fast then turning away. I hate 'em. I no longer give them space when they do stupid stuff around me. They can try and see if they are tougher than my car.
Old May 16, 2007 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Of course we asked him to move. He stubbornly stood there for a good 1:30 before I advanced. He had a ****-eating grin on his face too. I can still see that face. Why am i the bad guy here? I didn’t run, he did. We filled-up at the station and bought snacks. Someone needs to stand-up to these people that think that can do whatever the hell the feel like.

What would have been the alternative? Me parking the Tahoe at the intersection and pleading with him? Apologizing for my right to drive an SUV? Please. Bottom line is you're too chicken **** and people like him need to be put in their place.
You're the bad guy because you hit someone with a vehicle. Look, I know he was being a total d***. But this type of vigalante crap you pulled doesn't help anyone. I mean...if he was in a car, and stopped in an intersection, would you have hit him too? I doubt it. Being an *** because someone is an *** to you is always counter productive...and don't call me a chicken ****, you don't know me. I would have gotten out of the car and moved him before I struck someone with a car, that's the OBVIOUS and adult thing to do. But you're right, it's not nearly as cool as being able to brag about how big and bad *** your family is that you scared a smart *** biker away at a gas station after having hit him with your car and run over his bike...watch out for THIS guy! He's a BADASS!

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Old May 16, 2007 | 02:05 PM
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I agree that there are an *** load of idiot bikers out there, that's not even the issue. They take up the whole road when it's not neccesary, and they suck. However, if you attack them in any way it's idiotic just like it's idiotic when those fools swing at cars with pumps or kick or whatever else. One side has to be the 'bigger person'. And when you're in a vehicle capable of being more than a mile away in less than a minute or two, it might as well be you.

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Old May 16, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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You use raid on insects, so use mace on the bikers. They are nothing more than a menace.
Old May 16, 2007 | 02:58 PM
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Mace would certainly be better than running them over with a car...
Old May 16, 2007 | 03:10 PM
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Mace would certainly be better than running them over with a car...
Says the guy that's never been hit by mace or pepper spray. (IByesIhave) I didn't run over the guy... i ran over his bike. I'd much rather have a destroyed bike.
Old May 16, 2007 | 03:16 PM
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I forgot you knew me so well Salty...I guess that pepper spray can I had was just pretend pepper spray...damn, a badass AND a psychic, what a combo.
Old May 16, 2007 | 03:55 PM
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even if bikers are *******s.....im not sure that attempted manslaughter is the way to go about things....
Old May 16, 2007 | 04:36 PM
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I forgot you knew me so well Salty...I guess that pepper spray can I had was just pretend pepper spray...damn, a badass AND a psychic, what a combo.
And you know me so well? Here you are judging me as a bully? I'm not a bully.

I don't understand it... someone is clearly instigating a confrontation by purposefully blocking traffic with an jackass smirk on his face. Confrontations are mostly never civil, especially when dealing with rush hour traffic, yet i'm the *******?

We're taught as children to look both ways. But when someone that despises George W. Bush doesn't like the fact you rightfully drive an SUV, you need to consider his side when he deliberately tries to block your path on a public road? Never mind the possible consequences of standing in front of a car. wtf? It makes no sense man. These people NEED to be dealt with when they think they have the right to do **** like this. I mean heck... if I got out and had a powwow with him on global warming he'd still feel the need to block the next guy assuming we settled our differences. Now, even though he'll probably be more upset with the next SUV driver, he'll most likely think twice before risking his cannondale. The way I see it I'm doing him a favor because the next guy might not be nice enough to wait for him to get off his bike. **** this hippy. Seriously.

I already know how you feel about my actions but want other’s opinions. I’m going to add a poll to this thread to hear what others have to say.

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Old May 16, 2007 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by spedmunki
even if bikers are *******s.....im not sure that attempted manslaughter is the way to go about things....


Where is the attempted manslaughter? I didn't hit the guy. I advanced and stopped with intentions to just nudge his front tire. I did just that and he got off his bike to approach my door, leaving it on the ground. You can't run over a bike by itself with the dude on it. Think about it.
Old May 16, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
I don't understand it... someone is clearly instigating a confrontation by purposefully blocking traffic with an jackass smirk on his face. Confrontations are mostly never civil, especially when dealing with rush hour traffic, yet i'm the *******?.

It takes two to tango man, that's the thing. I know you didn't instigate the confrontation, but you could have easily ignored or at least not exacerbated it. Do you really thing this guy is now more car-friendly now that you crushed his bike? My guess is that he is MORE willing and motivated to go out of his way to instigate such situations, only now he's probably willing to cause property damage if he feels threatened again. He's a d*ck, but by giving him the response he obviously was trying to elicite, he beat you. He caused you to do something in response to his little game.

It really isn't hard to avoid a confrontation that someone else instigates.

I've been on both sides of bicycle-auto confrontations. A guy in a huge peloton kicked my door as I went by in my old car. I stopped in front of them at the next light and got his insurance info. The ding was fixed. No bikes crushed, no fight, and he got the point. I've also been 'nudged' by a car while I was in the left turn lane on my bike (which is not only legal, but required by law). I stopped again, and educated the driver that I was doing the correct manuver and that he had to wait three seconds for me to turn before he could go. Again, no property damage, no bodily damage, and the dude that bumped me now knows the rules.

I know that bikers can be totally arrogant and retarded, but when you're in a one ton vehicle and they're on a 30lb bike, the burden of restraint is certainly on the motorist.

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Old May 16, 2007 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
He's a d*ck, but by giving him the response he obviously was trying to elicite, he beat you. He caused you to do something in response to his little game.
That's arguable man... i easily cost him well over a thousand in the pocket. It was what i'd consdier to be a top of the line Cannondale road bike. I'd say I beat him. uff:
Old May 16, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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That's arguable man... i easily cost him well over a thousand in the pocket. It was what i'd consdier to be a top of the line Cannondale road bike. I'd say I beat him. uff:

Monitarily for sure. But the reason he started a conflict was to have a conflict, right? He got that, along with a story I'm sure he'll turn into the epic of a rageful SUV driver and his posse that mowed him down in traffic...how many other bikers do you think heard the story from him and now have even more of a chip on their sholder towards motorists?
Old May 16, 2007 | 05:20 PM
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Monitarily for sure. But the reason he started a conflict was to have a conflict, right? He got that, along with a story I'm sure he'll turn into the epic of a rageful SUV driver and his posse that mowed him down in traffic...how many other bikers do you think heard the story from him and now have even more of a chip on their sholder towards motorists?
Should I care that they’re conspiring to dent cars at intersections with their fancy nalgene bottles? I mean really...

If these bikers had a chip on their shoulder for something more serious then I might pay attention. Like if this group started singling-out people in my vehicle for their race, etc.

But them having a chip on their shoulder for SUV drivers does not concern me in the slightest. There are a lot of people out there that have no qualms settling the score the old fashioned way. They should be concerned about THEM more. Maybe if people started growing pairs then they wouldn’t feel so inclined to walk all over people and their gas guzzlers? Now, if you're an SUV driver and coward, then I'm sorry but that's not my problem either.
Old May 16, 2007 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Should I care that they’re conspiring to dent cars at intersections with their fancy nalgene bottles? I mean really...

Maybe, I certainly don't want to have to watch out for hoards of bikers that fling things at cars and then take off down allys never to be seen. I'd rather just ignore the nonviolent, but annoying as hell, f***offs and know that most people aren't such idiots.

To me it's the same as when a drunk bastard in a bar starts yelling "So you think you're better than me?!?!" at someone they don't know; yeah, you could take him outside and beat his ***...or you could just laugh at him and know his liver will get him in the end.

Besides, I know you got off with out any problems, but in the even that a cop had seen that go down, you would have been in royal sh**. So I guess the whole thing for me is risk vs reward really. What did you gain from 'teaching' this guy a leason? Nothing tangible. What did you risk? A lawsuit, legal ramifications, the dude going postal and stabbing you with his bike tools, etc...

And it's not like I'm totally anti-violence... if the dude had been rapping on your hood with a pump, then run him down. If he tried to cause you some physical harm, beat his ***. Whatever. But when he's just being a total ***** and standing there, why escalate?

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