Conservative Case Against BushJr
10-29-2004, 03:02 PM
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Conservative Case Against BushJr
http://www.nypress.com/17/31/news&co...illiamBryk.cfm
I'm not saying I love this piece. But it does make me very curious what actuall conservatives think of this viewpoint.
I'm not saying I love this piece. But it does make me very curious what actuall conservatives think of this viewpoint.
10-30-2004, 02:12 PM
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Bump for myself because this is article contains good points about why BushJr is bad for even the most conservative voter...but none of our resident conservatives has responded to it at all.
10-30-2004, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
http://www.nypress.com/17/31/news&co...illiamBryk.cfm
I'm not saying I love this piece. But it does make me very curious what actuall conservatives think of this viewpoint.
I'm not saying I love this piece. But it does make me very curious what actuall conservatives think of this viewpoint.
You DO realize that the Southern Democrats were against the Republican North in The Civil War, right?
Bush has met the modern democrats half way on many "non-conservative" causes, and the current spending related to the war on terrorism is justified. This war also happens to help the economy, though I'm sure nobody wants to admit that. Anyhow, I think the American public is sick and tired of the unprecedented disrespect for the office, and they will re-elect Bush because of it.
As far as Bush has gone away from the core of his base, the democrats have gone to the extreme left, so they aren't an option either for today's republicans.
Unfortunately, some of them vote for the 3rd party candidate and waste their vote IMO.
Thanks for playing,
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10-30-2004, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Bush has met the modern democrats half way on many "non-conservative" causes, and the current spending related to the war on terrorism is justified. This war also happens to help the economy, though I'm sure nobody wants to admit that. Anyhow, I think the American public is sick and tired of the unprecedented disrespect for the office, and they will re-elect Bush because of it.
As far as Bush has gone away from the core of his base, the democrats have gone to the extreme left, so they aren't an option either for today's republicans.
Unfortunately, some of them vote for the 3rd party candidate and waste their vote IMO.
Thanks for playing,
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As far as Bush has gone away from the core of his base, the democrats have gone to the extreme left, so they aren't an option either for today's republicans.
Unfortunately, some of them vote for the 3rd party candidate and waste their vote IMO.
Thanks for playing,
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To say Kerry is the "extreme left" is stupid at best. Actually go read up on what Kerry's records are really about instead of taking everything Jr. says for face value. More of my republican friends, yes i have some, have left the republican party because of bush than I can ever remember in the past. And this includes my parents friends of course. Bush is a NEOCONSERVATIVE, while Kerry is a liberal but far from the extreme.
Good try though, please put in another quater,
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10-30-2004, 05:11 PM
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Some of unregistered's greatest hits about President Bush:
1. He also has divide this country in HALF.
2. curropted the government
3. has held his intrest
I'll most certainly "put in another quater!" to hear more misspelled liberal rants
1. He also has divide this country in HALF.
2. curropted the government
3. has held his intrest
I'll most certainly "put in another quater!" to hear more misspelled liberal rants
Originally Posted by Unregistered
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, Jr. is the most hated president in a long long time. He also has divide this country in HALF. Good try though. This country is tired of a person that has lied to us, curropted the government, and has held his intrest above the citizens time and time again. He has also made the government BIGGER and increased spending, which is typically what Republicans stand against, in the present.
To say Kerry is the "extreme left" is stupid at best. Actually go read up on what Kerry's records are really about instead of taking everything Jr. says for face value. More of my republican friends, yes i have some, have left the republican party because of bush than I can ever remember in the past. And this includes my parents friends of course. Bush is a NEOCONSERVATIVE, while Kerry is a liberal but far from the extreme.
Good try though, please put in another quater,
Unregistered.
To say Kerry is the "extreme left" is stupid at best. Actually go read up on what Kerry's records are really about instead of taking everything Jr. says for face value. More of my republican friends, yes i have some, have left the republican party because of bush than I can ever remember in the past. And this includes my parents friends of course. Bush is a NEOCONSERVATIVE, while Kerry is a liberal but far from the extreme.
Good try though, please put in another quater,
Unregistered.
10-30-2004, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EyeFlyIsTheEye
Some of unregistered's greatest hits about President Bush:
1. He also has divide this country in HALF.
2. curropted the government
3. has held his intrest
I'll most certainly "put in another quater!" to hear more misspelled liberal rants
1. He also has divide this country in HALF.
2. curropted the government
3. has held his intrest
I'll most certainly "put in another quater!" to hear more misspelled liberal rants
10-30-2004, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EyeFlyIsTheEye
Some of unregistered's greatest hits about President Bush:
1. He also has divide this country in HALF.
2. curropted the government
3. has held his intrest
I'll most certainly "put in another quater!" to hear more misspelled liberal rants
1. He also has divide this country in HALF.
2. curropted the government
3. has held his intrest
I'll most certainly "put in another quater!" to hear more misspelled liberal rants
Great one oh super smart one. How many languages do you know? This is, drum roll please, my third language. Yep you sure got me on my spelling, you must be proud. When will morons stop talking about my spelling ability's on a forum instead of my facts.
Oh and I suggest you dispute any of those facts before you start saying its a rant. I can back them up can you back yours up?
10-31-2004, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ericdared81
That's great when the only thing you can say about his post is the spelling. Last time I checked this was the political forum not a spelling bee.
The only reason why I don't say anything against you, eric, is because; a) We have the same name and; b) I want a good deal on my next car.
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Jr. is the most hated president in a long long time. He also has divide this country in HALF. Good try though. This country is tired of a person that has lied to us, curropted the government, and has held his intrest above the citizens time and time again. He has also made the government BIGGER and increased spending, which is typically what Republicans stand against, in the present.
Bush won't sell out to public opinion, and that's why I love him. He does what's good for us long-term in most cases.
Originally Posted by Unregistered
To say Kerry is the "extreme left" is stupid at best. Actually go read up on what Kerry's records are really about instead of taking everything Jr. says for face value. More of my republican friends, yes i have some, have left the republican party because of bush than I can ever remember in the past. And this includes my parents friends of course. Bush is a NEOCONSERVATIVE, while Kerry is a liberal but far from the extreme.
Bush may be an awful public speaker, but at least he makes good decisions. Whether or not he is getting the best information to make those decisions is my only question.
10-31-2004, 08:31 AM
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Anybody clinging to the notion that W is doing a decent job should read and consider the endorsement of The Economist- hardly a "liberal rag";
http://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...ory_id=3329802
Face it - the bush administration is FAR and AWAY the MOST corrupt and criminal group to ever take power in this country.
And you have to really be hella dumb to believe he's ever made a good decision.
http://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...ory_id=3329802
Face it - the bush administration is FAR and AWAY the MOST corrupt and criminal group to ever take power in this country.
And you have to really be hella dumb to believe he's ever made a good decision.
10-31-2004, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Who are you talking about? Clinton?
Bush won't sell out to public opinion, and that's why I love him. He does what's good for us long-term in most cases.
Do you even know Kerry's history? He went into Vietnam already knowing he would come out a war protestor. Hanoi John was a plotting m f'er and he continues to be a self-serving sellout today. His senate record is a sham, basically accomplishing nothing other than voting on the wrong side of history time and time again. His voting record PROVES poor judgement!
Bush may be an awful public speaker, but at least he makes good decisions. Whether or not he is getting the best information to make those decisions is my only question.
Bush won't sell out to public opinion, and that's why I love him. He does what's good for us long-term in most cases.
Do you even know Kerry's history? He went into Vietnam already knowing he would come out a war protestor. Hanoi John was a plotting m f'er and he continues to be a self-serving sellout today. His senate record is a sham, basically accomplishing nothing other than voting on the wrong side of history time and time again. His voting record PROVES poor judgement!
Bush may be an awful public speaker, but at least he makes good decisions. Whether or not he is getting the best information to make those decisions is my only question.
Hmm wrong and wrong again Hella. You really need to keep up with threads here. I don't like restating things over and over. First let me suggest you read these posts....
https://www.i-club.com/forums/teh-politics-forum-114/fbi-probes-pentagon-over-halliburton-deals-77724/
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...t=77651&page=4
To say Jr won't sell out is one of the stupidest things you have said to date. He won't sell out to public opinion but he sure will to big buisness as has been proven time and time again. He does what is good for them in the long run. I suggest if you ever have the time, go volunteer at a capitol of your state. You'll learn real fast how much power those lobbiest have. And guess who they love? Good old Jr.
I like how you said Kerry knew he wasn't going to die when he went into Vietnam. Man if thats true, I would love to have Kerry as president, he knows what will happen in the future according to your logic! Again you can't even get close to comparing Jr's record and Kerry's. You have been duped by Rove. Again show me how he has a poor voting record go look it up.
Not only is Jr a horrible public speaker but he is also dumb. The several times I have met him it was obvious that he didn't know what the hell we were discussing during the meetings. He just didn't get it. The representive I worked for was always frustrated with his lack of knowledge on things he should know. Granted he isn't as dumb as the media portray him at times, but he certainly isn't bright. And I don't want a average individual running the US. Oh and he choose those individuals so in the end whatever information he gets its his fualt.
Damn it forgot to mention your Clinton comment. Look it up Jr. is hated not only in the US but around the WHOLE world. But yeah a guy getting a bj, is way worse than a guy invading a country and causing thousands to die for no good reason.
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To say Jr won't sell out is one of the stupidest things you have said to date. He won't sell out to public opinion but he sure will to big buisness as has been proven time and time again. He does what is good for them in the long run. I suggest if you ever have the time, go volunteer at a capitol of your state. You'll learn real fast how much power those lobbiest have. And guess who they love? Good old Jr.
There is no doubt about the impact of big business, but the two go hand-in-hand.
Would you rather have the corporations owned by the Govt like in China, or have gov't leaders influenced by the Corporations? Obviously there has to be limits, but we have them today. They are all bedfellows, and even Gore was tied to big oil. The American people knew Bush was tied to big oil and Cheney to Halliburton, and they didn't care. I don't think they care this time, either.
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
You mean with the exception of the trial attorneys that milk the system and raise product costs for all of us, right?
There is no doubt about the impact of big business, but the two go hand-in-hand.
Would you rather have the corporations owned by the Govt like in China, or have gov't leaders influenced by the Corporations? Obviously there has to be limits, but we have them today. They are all bedfellows, and even Gore was tied to big oil. The American people knew Bush was tied to big oil and Cheney to Halliburton, and they didn't care. I don't think they care this time, either.
There is no doubt about the impact of big business, but the two go hand-in-hand.
Would you rather have the corporations owned by the Govt like in China, or have gov't leaders influenced by the Corporations? Obviously there has to be limits, but we have them today. They are all bedfellows, and even Gore was tied to big oil. The American people knew Bush was tied to big oil and Cheney to Halliburton, and they didn't care. I don't think they care this time, either.
10-31-2004, 12:54 PM
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Bush is not a conservative. At home, he's a big-spender socialist. That's what the "compassionate conservative" BS really means. Abroad, he sells out our foreign policy to "neo conservatives" who are merely hawkish liberals. But he makes token gestures towards traditional values and tax reduction, neither of which have much substance, but manage to fool a few people. It's classic bait and switch. Meanwhile government is larger and more intrusive than ever, states rights are ignored, basically every core conservative value is ignored.
The worst part is that the "opposition" (DNC) is almost exactly the same thing. They make token gestures in the other direction, but they are not substantially different. Their main selling point is "We're not the GOP!".
The worst part is that the "opposition" (DNC) is almost exactly the same thing. They make token gestures in the other direction, but they are not substantially different. Their main selling point is "We're not the GOP!".
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Originally Posted by FUNKED1
The worst part is that the "opposition" (DNC) is almost exactly the same thing. They make token gestures in the other direction, but they are not substantially different. Their main selling point is "We're not the GOP!".