Is the call-to-action of muslims a case for profiling?
10-29-2004, 01:49 PM
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Is the call-to-action of muslims a case for profiling?
So, Bin-Laden's cohort just issued a call to young Muslims to strike the United States and its allies.
So, should we step up profiling efforts on young muslims, or is that racially and spiritually 'insensitive.'
I mean really, would it be right to stereotype or discriminate based on a person's spriritual beliefs? I'm sure the ACLU is getting ready to sue anyone who looks sideways at a Muslim.
So, should we step up profiling efforts on young muslims, or is that racially and spiritually 'insensitive.'
I mean really, would it be right to stereotype or discriminate based on a person's spriritual beliefs? I'm sure the ACLU is getting ready to sue anyone who looks sideways at a Muslim.
10-29-2004, 02:28 PM
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I think profiling is immoral regardless of what group it targets. And yes, I know it results in less crime and that it's a usefull tactic. But so is terrorism, and we can all agree that that's immoral. COPS WHO PROFILE DESEARVE TO BE PROFLIED THEMSELVES (ie. they are pigs who love doughnuts, have small d***s, and can't get respect any other way).
10-29-2004, 02:34 PM
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Islam isn't a race. You can't racially profile muslims. You can profile arabs and other middle easterners, though. Since most terrorist acts on U.S. soil are committed by middle easterners, I see no problem with it. Profiling older white males at certain federal spots is probably okay too in the wake of the militia movements.
I see nothing wrong with using a method that does minimal violence to civil rights.
I see nothing wrong with using a method that does minimal violence to civil rights.
10-29-2004, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by subaruguru
Islam isn't a race. You can't racially profile muslims. You can profile arabs and other middle easterners, though. Since most terrorist acts on U.S. soil are committed by middle easterners, I see no problem with it. Profiling older white males at certain federal spots is probably okay too in the wake of the militia movements.
I see nothing wrong with using a method that does minimal violence to civil rights.
I see nothing wrong with using a method that does minimal violence to civil rights.
10-29-2004, 03:00 PM
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So lets say a Neo-**** party leader says, "All whites go and kill those other races!" Should we start profiling whites? Don't over generalize a religion and thats exactly what you are doing.
A high profile leader, respected "like the pope" by his followers just issued an order. If the pope issued an order to Catholics, don't you't think at least some would act on those orders?
10-29-2004, 07:22 PM
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He isn't the "pope" of Islam. You be realistic for once. If I choose I could convert to Islam. How would you tell I believe in that religion? I don't look anything like a Arab. So hence this wouldn't work. And its fine and dandy to say oh yes profile away untill they start to do it to you.
10-29-2004, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
He isn't the "pope" of Islam. You be realistic for once. If I choose I could convert to Islam. How would you tell I believe in that religion? I don't look anything like a Arab. So hence this wouldn't work. And its fine and dandy to say oh yes profile away untill they start to do it to you.
Rat boy was white and was a muslim. You could tell by looking at him.
Why do you think they call him Rat boy?
10-29-2004, 08:38 PM
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What race are you then HellaDumb you have never mentioned you where a minority before. In fact you stated you where not I believe. (I could be wrong I tend to glance over what you type since usually its crap.) So who profilied you, your whole life? You can't tell all "muslims" by looking at them. You don't get it. ANYONE can be a terrorist, its a religion. Religions do not have color or race. And again how is Ladin Islams pope?
10-30-2004, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
What race are you then HellaDumb you have never mentioned you where a minority before. In fact you stated you where not I believe. (I could be wrong I tend to glance over what you type since usually its crap.) So who profilied you, your whole life? You can't tell all "muslims" by looking at them. You don't get it. ANYONE can be a terrorist, its a religion. Religions do not have color or race. And again how is Ladin Islams pope?
You know the funny thing is that if I walk out of a Christian church and regularly attend services, don't you think it's reasonable to assume I am a Christian, or at associate with them? That seems oversimplified, but some things just aren't that complex.
As far as comparing Bin Laden to the Pope, I'm saying that he is someone with whom many muslims identify.... a spriritual leader of a cause. He proports to speak for "muslims" as a whole, and I've never heard ANY muslims decrying what he says. Have you?
10-30-2004, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I am a minority where I live because I'm white. I've always had to check the white box which profiles me by race, no? It was often a disqualification for loans, grants, and other benefits to non-whites.
Originally Posted by HellaDumb
You know the funny thing is that if I walk out of a Christian church and regularly attend services, don't you think it's reasonable to assume I am a Christian, or at associate with them? That seems oversimplified, but some things just aren't that complex.
Originally Posted by HellaDumb
As far as comparing Bin Laden to the Pope, I'm saying that he is someone with whom many muslims identify.... a spriritual leader of a cause. He proports to speak for "muslims" as a whole, and I've never heard ANY muslims decrying what he says. Have you?
10-30-2004, 11:06 AM
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So how many cops have pulled you over of late because you are white? Yep you have it harder than the minorities there buddy. Keep trying to say they are holding you back I already proved once how wrong you are .
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Ahh, this explains a lot of things now. So now you want the government to spy on people that go to different churches. Maybe they should all wear stars on there chest to portray that they are muslims so we know who to watch when they get on trains, planes, cars, and other vehicles. You know since every muslim is out to kill Americans or atleast supports Bin Laden.
Do you read the news? These people aren't gathering in budhist temples.
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So how many "muslims" do you know, that are your friend? I know several, and guess what they DO decry what he says. Oh but of course Rashid and Ahmed would't do something like that all "muslims" are the same and LOVE the leader of there faith Bin Laden. If you still don't get it then I can't help you there. The Pope is the LEADER of the catholic faith as a whole. Bin Laden is a far cry for that for muslims.
Bin Laden is brilliantly pitting the Muslims against American non-muslims, because the lack of muslims PUBLICLY decrying his statements further reinforce these feelings.
What do you suggest?
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10-30-2004, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
You know what? A lot! You know why? They have to keep tabs on who they stop, and it would look bad IF THEY DIDN'T stop a number of whites. How's that for racial profiling? OHHHHH, I bet you never thought of that.
Originally Posted by HellaDumb
What do you think they do in Northern Ireland between the Christians and Catholics? When it is a religious war, it is stupidity to ignore this.
Do you read the news? These people aren't gathering in budhist temples.
Do you read the news? These people aren't gathering in budhist temples.
Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Well, it's only my opinion, but you must know that at least 50% of the population feel the way I do, whether you know it or not.
Bin Laden is brilliantly pitting the Muslims against American non-muslims, because the lack of muslims PUBLICLY decrying his statements further reinforce these feelings.
What do you suggest?
Bin Laden is brilliantly pitting the Muslims against American non-muslims, because the lack of muslims PUBLICLY decrying his statements further reinforce these feelings.
What do you suggest?
What do I suggest? Not doing exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do? That would be a GREAT start. Also learn from OTHER nations and get advice on how they are handling it. Or do you think the US is the only nation to have terrorist attacks? We are handling this extreemly the wrong way. You have to take away there support and show others how we are NOT what they say we are. But right now thanks to Jr. we are proving them right. Thats what I suggest.
10-30-2004, 05:40 PM
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Umm, this is most definitely a holy war in the eyes of our enemy; I hope you can see that. And with that said, how many muslims (%) are of middle eastern descent?
"Racial" profiling used to be known as detective work-- what happened to those days? It was also just profiling-- making it a race issue came later(thanks ACLU and Democrats).
If an amber light (missing child in California) alert comes over the radio and alerts me to watch for a male in a brown truck, then I won't be worried about cars and vans, or even trucks with female drivers. I will be looking for a truck that is any shade of brown and drivin by a man. Do we agree so far?
Then if in ten minuets they added that it was an '89 Chevy, I would stop looking at Dodge and Ford etc, and focus on Chevys. Would you do the same?
Now lets say that in another ten minuets they announced that it was a man of hispanic origin-- would you still be looking at whites and blacks, or would you apply the same reason as the above examples^^.
I don't understand the "racial" profiling Card at all. Get over yourselves, it is not a personal attack-- just a provin method of police work! It is sad to think that the police, or whomever, can't do their jobs for fear of being sued(wich is what I think it is really all about anyway).
To me it is a process of elimination. Quit making it a race issue!
"Racial" profiling used to be known as detective work-- what happened to those days? It was also just profiling-- making it a race issue came later(thanks ACLU and Democrats).
If an amber light (missing child in California) alert comes over the radio and alerts me to watch for a male in a brown truck, then I won't be worried about cars and vans, or even trucks with female drivers. I will be looking for a truck that is any shade of brown and drivin by a man. Do we agree so far?
Then if in ten minuets they added that it was an '89 Chevy, I would stop looking at Dodge and Ford etc, and focus on Chevys. Would you do the same?
Now lets say that in another ten minuets they announced that it was a man of hispanic origin-- would you still be looking at whites and blacks, or would you apply the same reason as the above examples^^.
I don't understand the "racial" profiling Card at all. Get over yourselves, it is not a personal attack-- just a provin method of police work! It is sad to think that the police, or whomever, can't do their jobs for fear of being sued(wich is what I think it is really all about anyway).
To me it is a process of elimination. Quit making it a race issue!
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