Bush is increasing the number of anti-American muslims
10-23-2004, 06:23 PM
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Bush is increasing the number of anti-American muslims
Bush's actions in the middle east sure are mending relations with Muslims. 
Does Bush really think pissing off more and more Muslims is really going to reduce the number of extreamists and therefore terrorists? It sure looks like our actions in Iraq are really decreasing the likelyhood of future extreamists as Bush said. Bravo Bush, it appears that more followers of Islam hate America than ever.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...C-RSSFeeds0312
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Does Bush really think pissing off more and more Muslims is really going to reduce the number of extreamists and therefore terrorists? It sure looks like our actions in Iraq are really decreasing the likelyhood of future extreamists as Bush said. Bravo Bush, it appears that more followers of Islam hate America than ever.http://abcnews.go.com/International/...C-RSSFeeds0312
-Chris
10-23-2004, 07:09 PM
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The thing is, Muslims should be just as mad at the Muslim-extremists but they tend to forget that. Every time I hear of a suicide bombing in Iraq it leaves one wounded U.S. Solider and 20 other non-US targets dead.
I don't know anymore... The bottom line is that we're threatened by Islam extremists that always seem to want a little more of the pie than everyone else. They do this because of faith in an invisible man, seriously. You're God damn right the Muslim religion has a bad name! I'm not a naive person but when I see a Muslim I have to wonder what this person is capable of and what they represent... who's fault is this?
I don't know anymore... The bottom line is that we're threatened by Islam extremists that always seem to want a little more of the pie than everyone else. They do this because of faith in an invisible man, seriously. You're God damn right the Muslim religion has a bad name! I'm not a naive person but when I see a Muslim I have to wonder what this person is capable of and what they represent... who's fault is this?
10-23-2004, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
The thing is, Muslims should be just as mad at the Muslim-extremists but they tend to forget that. Every time I hear of a suicide bombing in Iraq it leaves one wounded U.S. Solider and 20 other non-US targets dead.
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10-23-2004, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bassplayrr
I couldn't agree with you more on this point, Salty. But the reason behind my post is just to point out that Bush is either lieing, or just flat out naive when he repeatedly states that what he is doing, (ie pre-emptive attack on Iraq) will help the US regarding decreasing the number of extreamist muslims.
If people know that strikes on America result in death for them or "their people," they will be mentally forced into submission. How many people who have been raised from birth to be suicide bombers actually go through with it? The natural human characteristic to avoid death overrides the hatred for any cause, except in rare cases.
If members of someone's family was accidentally killed by a U.S. strike, I'd suggest that someone might support efforts of revenge, yet it would be rare to find someone willing to end his/her own life for that cause.
When a palestinian leader dies, one boy sees a Martyr, and another thinks to himself, "I don't want to die." I've seen enough interviews to know this is true.
I'm not saying that suicide bombers will not continue to be a problem, but to assume that it's worse because of Iraq is BS.
They hated the U.S. before Iraq, and they will hate us after.
What's central in this hatred is our support for Israel, and that hasn't changed (nor will it).
10-23-2004, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Seranin
saw a bumper sticker a few days ago
'We are creating enemies faster than we can kill them'
that about sums it up...
'We are creating enemies faster than we can kill them'
that about sums it up...
10-23-2004, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
I can assume then that you believe we deserved 9/11?
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10-24-2004, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bassplayrr
How'd you come to that conclusion? The bumper sticker is just stating tht Bush's headstrong tactics are only worsening our situation. How does that mean we deserved 9/11?
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-Chris
Assuming this to be true, it can be said that Americans "created" those that carried out those attacks.
Hence, my question to Seranin.
10-24-2004, 10:50 AM
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I think assuming that terrorists hate us "because we love freedom" is ridiculous. While terrorist leaders such as Osama, al Satyr, etc. aren't altruistic - they do what they do for personal gain and power - I believe that without the US' power games throughout the mideast (iran, iraq, afgh., israel present and past), it would be much more difficult for terrorists to find converts to fight us.
but regardless, i'm sure most of the muslim world does(did) not believe that the US deserved 9/11, and surely support our efforts to hunt down those responsible. Invading a country and killing a bunch of people, unrelated to 9/11, may have changed that opinion however
but regardless, i'm sure most of the muslim world does(did) not believe that the US deserved 9/11, and surely support our efforts to hunt down those responsible. Invading a country and killing a bunch of people, unrelated to 9/11, may have changed that opinion however
10-24-2004, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Seranin
I think assuming that terrorists hate us "because we love freedom" is ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Seranin
While terrorist leaders such as Osama, al Satyr, etc. aren't altruistic - they do what they do for personal gain and power - I believe that without the US' power games throughout the mideast (iran, iraq, afgh., israel present and past), it would be much more difficult for terrorists to find converts to fight us.
Originally Posted by Seranin
but regardless, i'm sure most of the muslim world does(did) not believe that the US deserved 9/11, and surely support our efforts to hunt down those responsible. Invading a country and killing a bunch of people, unrelated to 9/11, may have changed that opinion however
During WW2, Japanese, German, & Italian business, like restaraunts, hung US flags, "I'm an American" signs, and other offerings of their support for the US.
All of this suspiciously absent from any of the various Islamic groups here in the US...the same Islamic groups that contributed money to terrorist groups.
Does this mean all Muslims are terrorists?
Probably not.
Does this mean that all Muslims support the US?
Definitely not.
And thank you for being civil.
10-24-2004, 02:02 PM
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There are no absolutes in life, you can't just say "all" when speaking of a religion. Its the extreemest that are doing this not the norm. Just like the religious christian right has done wacky stuff.
Bush changed the world view of America and proved BinLadin right by entering Iraq, which did not have any terrorist.
Bush changed the world view of America and proved BinLadin right by entering Iraq, which did not have any terrorist.
10-25-2004, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
I can assume then that you believe we deserved 9/11?
Did we deserve to be attacked and have all those people killed - HELL NO!
Are we creating enemy's faster than we can kill them or convert them....Most likely
Think of how bad it looks to arab states now that they see that Iraq had no WMD's and no connections to Al Qaida and we invaded them anyways with made up evidence and bad intelligence. Looks pretty bad....
10-25-2004, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
...Just like the religious christian right has done wacky stuff. ..
10-25-2004, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Religious christian right's wacky stuff = Setting off car bombs & killing children receiving candy!?