im not putting all the blame on clinton, but just saying that it should not have been ignored, and the same goes for bush, he should have not ignored it even more...i just hope he can live up to his word, and do what's best for america...focus on americans, keep 'em safe, make 'em prosper, and we be all driving in our subies with big smiles.

 

My only point was exactly what you just said. That if you blame Clinton for Ignoring Bin Laden then you must also place blame on Bush for ignoring Abu Zarqawi before the war. This was my only point. You brought up the idea that Clinton should have acted differently and I compared what you said to something Bush should have done.

Good point.

 

Here's 100 things I thought a president had to do to get fired (with sources)

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts

if half the people that voted for bush read half of those things, I'm sure this may have turned out a little different. That is if we didn't have all of these voting and ballot issues going around now.

here's another 1546 reasons (with sources)

http://www.thousandreasons.org/listB.html

Some are just disturbing.

200million acres now unprotected, More audits for poor working people, blocked medicare from negotiating lower prices for seniors etc.

In the end, like I said before, it still comes down to the fact that he loves jesus, guns, and is against gay marriage. I like to ask myself, what god would reward a person a second term of such great power after abusing it so badly the first time around? wait... maybe it wasn't a god that did that.

 

Yeah pretty much. In 15 years, we'll all be reminiscing about how good Clinton was, even if he was an ******* to his wife. Slick ***** may have gotten a BJ in the Office, but Bush is ****ing us all.

 

I'm not pissed that a conservative Republican got reelected. I'm pissed that an ineffective, lying, and inept man wasn't fired from the job. I highly doubt I'd vote for Kerry in 2008 (mainly because I'm hoping McCain gets the nomination) but he deserves the job more than President Bush. W made the same mistakes his father did, so why did we fire one and not the other?

 

Kerry was a weak candidate, you are correct. Howard Dean probably would have pulled it off if he hadn't melted down during that speech.

 

What's that got to do with George W Bush being a poor President? He should have been removed from office, that's my point.

 

Bush has done a swell job of finding and killing/imprisoning/neutralizing Bin Laden, right? How many people has our war killed (our soldiers, civilians, other nations' soldiers and civilians, Iraqis, etc.) to capture what, 1/2-1/3 of Al Qaida? whooptee damn do. Maybe if so much of the world didn't hate us with every fiber of our being, we wouldn't be such a target. You think re-electing Bush did anything whatsoever to help that?

 

Ummm... you wanna put something in there that SUPPORTS President Bush?

 

You're criticizing him for being conservative... I'm honestly not. I'm criticizing him for failing to achieve ANYTHING that he set out to do when he ran in 2000. Seriously, can any of you give one single accomplishment that is unequivicobaly a success for W? Terrorism is out, Domestic Security is out, the economy is worse than when he took office, etc. etc. etc.

I agree with maybe 15% of Bush's policies, but if he shares his views with more than half of Americans, then I won't complain about him or any other conservative winning. It's his failures that disappoint me.

 

Why do you really think so many people took a trip to the polls to vote for GW, when so much MORE WASTED effort was put forth by the liberals than ever before. Liberal 527s outspent conservative ones by far. My real point is below.

The American People would have probably voted for "anyone but Bush" if they hadn't been utterly repulsed by the democratic candidate, the non-stop hate-fest for the president, and the apparent skew of news reporting. Don't you see any of this? I felt in my heart that others HAD to feel the way I did, and it turns out I was right. Bush got 11% of his votes from Democrats! That says a lot.

Half of the blame goes to the club of hatred. Michael Moore, George Sorros, Moveon.org (and the 527s), Dan Rather, Sean Penn-ladin (and others actors), and John Stewart made people rush to the polls to make them wrong.
The other half goes to picking poor candidates. Americans as a whole HATE protestors, and John Kerry even took it to the next level by mischaracterizing the service of vietnam veterans. Americans also hate passifists..global test? To make matters worse, he picked a freaking trial lawyer in a time when Kerry was campaigning on health care. It's open enrollment at my employer, and they state that 7% of premiums are from litigation and risk management (insurance). Guess where he made his money? People saw right through the lies and distortions. This started from day 1 at the democratic convention, when the polls showed an immediate negative reaction. This guy votes to ban every major weapon system and then runs on a "military guy" platform. What a freaking joke.

I hope you see the truth in what I've just stated. It really didn't come down to an election being about Bush. This election was about saying No to liberals.
People can explain it however they want, but this is how I see it.

 

Who stole your computer? This is the kind of response this forum was created for.

Basically, while I don't like Bush's positions, what really made me upset that he won is his failure to be successful. I'd choose an efficient conservative over a useless liberal (save yourself the lame puns there) any day. But Bush is not a good leader. When was the last time he had a positive approval rating? Every time I saw it, it was well below 50%. Guess the approval polls are asking the wrong people eh?

Anyways, you still haven't risen to the challenge- what did Bush do that was so good? Where did he undeniably improve the life of the average American?

 

And since most of you haven't realized it, I'm not a big kerry fan. He's much more liberal than I am. (I'm not near as liberal as my anti-SUV rants would suggest. I'm pro gun, don't really like cutting the military back as I'm a veteran, and even when I'm more or less on the same side as his platform, it's not as far to the left.) I call myself a liberal just because I disagree with conservatives more than I disagree with liberals. I support gay rights, I don't support a flat tax, I believe that religion should be seperate from Government, although it shouldn't be ignored in schools. I also believe that you should have the right to do anything that doesn't interfere with the rights of another. Fiscally, I tend to support more government spending than less, because I believe that government should be the tool society uses to protect ourselves, to improve our standard of living, and to enable necessary changes. Blah, too many details. Maybe I'll start a new thread for each of us to try to summarize our political beliefs. Might go a long way towards quelling some of the flaming going on in here.

 

Bush won thanks to the bible belt or better said the Religious right that came out strong voting on such issues as...Gay rights, Abortions and other issues. Thats why he won.

 

Besides the reason I said in my previous post, I think each individual has their own personal reason. To try to put it in a nutshell, there are a couple major things that enforced my opinions.

I started working in the tech sector in 2000, (worked in construction before that) right as the tech bubble was about to pop. Thousands and thousands of jobs that should have never existed dissappeared in a matter of months. It's actually quite funny to look at a Silicon Valley map from early 2000 and compare it to what it is now. This had a major impact locally and accross the nation, and it was not GW's fault. Many people at my employer still blame Bush for it. It's illogical.

In 2001, we all know what happened on 9/11. Nobody wanted to travel or spend a dime, including myself. The impact to jobs and the economy was catastrophic, but we got through it.

Through all of this, Bush has been one constant, steadfast leader. I trust him that he would truly do ANYTHING to protect us, even if it resulted in negative consequences to himself. Though as much of this credit goes to the American people, people are traveling, spending money, and the economy has come back strong considering what has just happened.

Do I like everything Bush does? Nope. I think Iraq is a mess but I trust that he made the right decision based on the information that he had, and some we possibly don't know about. If it were simply there to take out Saddam, I think he would have done it another way. What reinforces my belief that we might be doing the right thing there is how fervent the opposition is trying to stop us from succeeding.

I do side with most of his moral stances.

Anyway, that's it in a nutshell.