60 Minutes planned Bush's missing explosive story for election eve...
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60 Minutes planned Bush's missing explosive story for election eve...
...even though the story happened in April 2003!
http://www.drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm
And here's the old thread on Dan Rathers btw: https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...&highlight=dan
/Me waits for bashing on Fox news when there's far more liberal media outlets.
http://www.drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm
60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE
News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.
Jeff ***er, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."
Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].
The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.
According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
It is not clear who exactly shopped an election eve repackaging of the missing explosives story.
The LA TIMES claims: The source on the story first went to 60 MINUTES but also expressed interest in working with the NY TIMES... "The tip was received last Wednesday."
CBSNEWS' plan to unleash the story just 24 hours before election day had one senior Bush official outraged.
"Darn, I wanted to see the forged documents to show how this was somehow covered up," the Bush source, who asked not to be named, mocked, recalling last months CBS airing of fraudulent Bush national guard letters.
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News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.
Jeff ***er, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."
Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].
The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.
According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
It is not clear who exactly shopped an election eve repackaging of the missing explosives story.
The LA TIMES claims: The source on the story first went to 60 MINUTES but also expressed interest in working with the NY TIMES... "The tip was received last Wednesday."
CBSNEWS' plan to unleash the story just 24 hours before election day had one senior Bush official outraged.
"Darn, I wanted to see the forged documents to show how this was somehow covered up," the Bush source, who asked not to be named, mocked, recalling last months CBS airing of fraudulent Bush national guard letters.
Developing...
/Me waits for bashing on Fox news when there's far more liberal media outlets.
Although the munitions dissapeared in April, it did not become a story until Oct. 10:
[QOUTE] The letter dated Oct. 10 that IAEA chief Mohammed ElBaradei received from Mohammed J. Abbas, a senior official at Iraq's Ministry of Science and Technology, reported the theft of 377 tons of explosives. It informed the IAEA that since April 9, 2003, looting at the Al-Qaqaa installation had resulted in the loss of 215 tons of HMX, 156 tons of RDX and six tons of PETN explosives.[/QUOTE]
There are contradictory reports as to when the munitions actually dissapeared. But from my understanding these weapons were not under direct US military control during this time period. Has anyone found more reliable information?
Still, kinda shystie of 60 min., but that's there style. I'm not a fan of these 'discovery' news shows. They mostly just offer spectacle.
[QOUTE] The letter dated Oct. 10 that IAEA chief Mohammed ElBaradei received from Mohammed J. Abbas, a senior official at Iraq's Ministry of Science and Technology, reported the theft of 377 tons of explosives. It informed the IAEA that since April 9, 2003, looting at the Al-Qaqaa installation had resulted in the loss of 215 tons of HMX, 156 tons of RDX and six tons of PETN explosives.[/QUOTE]
There are contradictory reports as to when the munitions actually dissapeared. But from my understanding these weapons were not under direct US military control during this time period. Has anyone found more reliable information?
Still, kinda shystie of 60 min., but that's there style. I'm not a fan of these 'discovery' news shows. They mostly just offer spectacle.
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Good. I'm glad they waited. If they had released the info back then, half the nation is so mentally challenged they would likely have forgetten by now or been convinced by Bush's little smirk that it was okay. At least releasing the info so late won't allow the American public to forget what an aweful thing this is.
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Good. I'm glad they waited. If they had released the info back then, half the nation is so mentally challenged they would likely have forgetten by now or been convinced by Bush's little smirk that it was okay. At least releasing the info so late won't allow the American public to forget what an aweful thing this is.
It wont make any difference.
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Originally Posted by constellation
You over estimate the intelligence of the american public.
It wont make any difference.
It wont make any difference.
I just said that they won't have time to forget, not that many out there aren't mentally challenged enough to not care.
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Originally Posted by bassplayrr
Good. I'm glad they waited. If they had released the info back then, half the nation is so mentally challenged they would likely have forgetten by now or been convinced by Bush's little smirk that it was okay. At least releasing the info so late won't allow the American public to forget what an aweful thing this is.
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The UN had surveillance on the cache till January, then drops surveillance once the US plans to invade. Then the insurgents rob the bunker right under their noses in the concealment of night. Once the 101st arrived to the cache everything was gone. And what else.....? Although I know the devastating power of that amount of C4 first hand, it's like I’m hearing the punch line to an old joke.
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Originally Posted by Salty
But why this? Why did Kerry use this old news as a trump card and desperate, last ditch October surprise? This story will go away like a fart in the wind based on a strategic war error.
The UN had surveillance on the cache till January, then drops surveillance once the US plans to invade. Then the insurgents rob the bunker right under their noses in the concealment of night. Once the 101st arrived to the cache everything was gone. And what else.....? Although I know the devastating power of that amount of C4 first hand, it's like I’m hearing the punch line to an old joke.
The UN had surveillance on the cache till January, then drops surveillance once the US plans to invade. Then the insurgents rob the bunker right under their noses in the concealment of night. Once the 101st arrived to the cache everything was gone. And what else.....? Although I know the devastating power of that amount of C4 first hand, it's like I’m hearing the punch line to an old joke.
No no no... everyone knows that Clinton was his last ditch october surprise.
To be honest, I don't know why they chose this one to latch onto considering how many things the Bush admin has F'd up.-Chris
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Originally Posted by bassplayrr
Good. I'm glad they waited. If they had released the info back then, half the nation is so mentally challenged they would likely have forgetten by now or been convinced by Bush's little smirk that it was okay. At least releasing the info so late won't allow the American public to forget what an aweful thing this is.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Then what's the problem with the airing the "Stloen Honor" show?
According to the FCC, nothing. The only reason it isn't airing is because the television company's stock value went down when they annouced it was going to air and the stock holders sued.
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not to mention the 'Stolen Honor' doohickie was largely based on the personal views of some soldiers (not all, in fact many views contradicted what was officially recorded by the Navy) where as the missing munitions story is one finite solid fact. Munitions were there on date A, and are missing on date B. No opinions.
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The Kerry Admin already had a video out on the matter...
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/10260...on_wmv_dsl.wmv
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/10260...on_wmv_dsl.wmv
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Originally Posted by Salty
The Kerry Admin already had a video out on the matter...
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/10260...on_wmv_dsl.wmv
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/10260...on_wmv_dsl.wmv
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Originally Posted by FUNKED1
Pretty cheesy of 60 minutes. Whole thing's been debunked anyways. Who's mentally challenged again?
How is that debunked? We knew where it was up untill the day Iraq fell, and now it's missing. So, our forces allowed nearly 400 tons of munitions to dissapear a day after Iraq fell. The tenth wasn't the day after we invaded, it was the day after Iraq fell when all of the widespread looting occured. It's just proof that Bush went in there to win a war only, not realizing that **** happens after you topple a government. Yup, definitely debunked.
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Are you familiar with the concept of "war"? If you want to get somewhere, you have to fight to get there. You are saying they should have fought harder and faster to get there? Or are you saying they should have somehow arrived at this objective before taking the city? Commandos should have parachuted in to capture this depot before conventional forces had secured the city? Not sure I follow your thinking here.
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Originally Posted by FUNKED1
Are you familiar with the concept of "war"? If you want to get somewhere, you have to fight to get there. You are saying they should have fought harder and faster to get there? Or are you saying they should have somehow arrived at this objective before taking the city? Commandos should have parachuted in to capture this depot before conventional forces had secured the city? Not sure I follow your thinking here.
We had already been in the area several times. The article you posted was on the 10th, when the major war was wrapping up. If these munitions were on the IAEA list, why weren't we guarding them? Oh, that's right, Bush was so convinced that the Iraqis would be extatic with their "liberation" that we wouldn't need many troops. Yet another miscalculation by our dimwit of a Pres.
"In a letter to the IAEA dated October 10, Iraq's director of planning, Mohammed Abbas, said the material disappeared sometime after Saddam's regime fell in April 2003"
That's right... it happened under our watch and therefore there is no one to blame but our lackluster commander in chief.
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