View Poll Results: Should I get a wagon or sedan WRX?
Wagon



63
59.43%
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43
40.57%
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WRX Wagon or Sedan
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Hello everyone. I am thinking of buying a WRX. My question is should I get a wagon or sedan? I like the additional utility of the wagon but I know the suspension is a little different, right? Is it a major difference or not?
Also, I heard the wagons are louder than the sedans, any truth?
Please feel free to share any opinions.
Also, I heard the wagons are louder than the sedans, any truth?
Please feel free to share any opinions.
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Car Info: 02 WRB Wagon (Cobb AccessPort, P7's), 2-73 914 2.0, 74 914-2.0
Performance difference is minimal for stock cars and the wagon has much more utility. Plus, there are fewer WRX wagons on the road than sedans.
I have a 02 2.5 RS and a 03 wagon. I love the extra room of the wagon.
The wagon has that big cavity behind you to help resonate the exhaust sounds and road noise. With the stock muffler you can barely hear the car running. At speed on the highway, it doesn't really interfere with your stereo entertainment. If you add a loud muffler...that might be a different story.
The wagon has that big cavity behind you to help resonate the exhaust sounds and road noise. With the stock muffler you can barely hear the car running. At speed on the highway, it doesn't really interfere with your stereo entertainment. If you add a loud muffler...that might be a different story.
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The disadvantages of the Wagon are that it is about 70-80 pounds heavier, has a slightly narrower track, a thinner rear anti-roll bar and the body structure (being open ended in the rear) is not quite as tight as the sedan. Other than those differences, both cars have identical mechanicals, including, suspension, drivetrain, differentials, etc. This translates to the following:
In acceleration (0-60), the sedan wins by about 0.1 - 0.2 seconds.
In terms of handling, the sedan will be slightly tighter with marginally less understeer because of all the differences I mentioned at the top.
The extra space of the wagon is a big plus for items like small furniture, large TVs etc. which will not fit in the sedan.
BTW, I own the wagon.
In acceleration (0-60), the sedan wins by about 0.1 - 0.2 seconds.
In terms of handling, the sedan will be slightly tighter with marginally less understeer because of all the differences I mentioned at the top.
The extra space of the wagon is a big plus for items like small furniture, large TVs etc. which will not fit in the sedan.
BTW, I own the wagon.
Last edited by 97itr153; Dec 24, 2002 at 08:45 AM.
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Unless capacity is really important to you it's hard to argue against the wider stance of the sedan when it comes to handling. The sedan is also faster but not by all that much. The wagon is heavier but thetas obvious with all that extra glass.So other than the sedan being a better handling car there is not much difference. your best bet is to think about how important the extra capacity of the wagon is and look at the kind of driving you do. If your going to be on the freeway most of the time it doesn't matter that much but if you take the long way home, on twisty little back roads, just to enjoy the turns (like I do) it's the sedan all the way.
P.S. I wouldn't pay any attention to the poll, only the posts. Family Fude style is all about being mediocre, any one who wants that has issues from childhood.
That said there are more sedans than wagons.
P.S. I wouldn't pay any attention to the poll, only the posts. Family Fude style is all about being mediocre, any one who wants that has issues from childhood.
That said there are more sedans than wagons.
Last edited by Andersonwrx; Dec 17, 2002 at 09:05 PM.
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Originally posted by Andersonwrx
That said there are more sedans than wagons.
That said there are more sedans than wagons.
All in all, yes the wagon will have less of a performance edge on a sedan. A tenth or two on the 1/4 mile and a mph or two on a slalom. But than again, sedan vs. sedan will show differences. Not really anything you will notice except for the fact the back end of the wagon will kick out a little more during hard cornering.
I went with the wagon, why? Well for one, I like being misjudged. No one expects a wagon to fly past them (Especially if you debadge it like mine) You just tend to blend in and not get noticed. But after having the wagon, I wouldn't give up the extra space for any reason
I just noticed you asked about the wagon being louder also? I imagine it would. Less sound deadning in the back plus a rack on the top for some wind noise. I've never thought as mine as being loud.
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Diff between sedan & wagon
I agree what everyone's said about the advantages of wagons here. (more usable space, stealth ability, etc) but one thing that I definitely *don't* like about the wagon is the way it feels when you push it. I borrowed a buddy's sedan back over a year ago for a weekend. He told me to drive it like I stole it, so I did, and I absolutely loved the way it felt neutral sliding around corners hard. It felt even more neutral than in my C5 which was later traded in on the Wagon. The C5 tended to understeer in faster turns and oversteer in slower, tighter turns.
So when I went to start haggling with Subbie dealerships, I asked to test drive a wagon, and I took a salesperson out on a road that I had been introduced to by an Acura salesman down the road from the Subbie dealer. The road had great tight turns, off-camber altitude changes and stuff, and I'd done it in the Vette before, so I at least knew where the really hairy turns were.
So after the first few corners the Subbie salesman knew that I knew how to drive (club licensed road-racer) and was progressively going faster when all of the sudden I got into my first drift, and I almost drove the car straight off the road.
The wagon doesn't handle neutral AT ALL. It understeers like a pig. Nothing at all like the sedan. At the time I didnt' think about it much, but once I took delivery of my car, I had more of a chance to explore it, and my wagon handles completely differently than the sedan when you drive it hard. I knew it had a more narrow track, but what I *didn't* know before I got my wagon was that the rear anti-roll bar in the wagon is significantly thinner than the sedan, which is why it feels like it rolls more and understeers badly. You can get it into a steady-state drift but it's not easy - you have to do the Scandinavian Flick or really let off the throttle at the edge to unsettle the suspension while pushing hard in the wagon while in the sedan it just seemed to transition right into a neutral drift with no effort at all.
And the bad part is that you can't just take someone's takeoff sedan rear anti-roll bar because of the track difference. So you're stuck with an understeering car (which sucks if you race) and you can't fix it without getting booted out of the stock classes in road racing. Had I known that the anti-roll bar was different in the wagon, I *might* have gone for the sedan. The main reason I went for the Wagon in the first place was that I mountain bike alot and I couldn't figure out for the life of me how I could get my bike into the sedan, and at the time I was under the impression that it was hard to get a good roof-rack for the sedan. Now I've seen a few different roof rack options, and whenever I drive hard, I'm wishing I had the sedan...
So I guess the point is that if you like to drive hard or road race, you're probably not going to like the feel of the wagon, so make sure you drive both (hard) before you decide.
-B
PS: The C5 swallowed two MTBs as easy as my wagon does. :-)
So when I went to start haggling with Subbie dealerships, I asked to test drive a wagon, and I took a salesperson out on a road that I had been introduced to by an Acura salesman down the road from the Subbie dealer. The road had great tight turns, off-camber altitude changes and stuff, and I'd done it in the Vette before, so I at least knew where the really hairy turns were.
So after the first few corners the Subbie salesman knew that I knew how to drive (club licensed road-racer) and was progressively going faster when all of the sudden I got into my first drift, and I almost drove the car straight off the road.
The wagon doesn't handle neutral AT ALL. It understeers like a pig. Nothing at all like the sedan. At the time I didnt' think about it much, but once I took delivery of my car, I had more of a chance to explore it, and my wagon handles completely differently than the sedan when you drive it hard. I knew it had a more narrow track, but what I *didn't* know before I got my wagon was that the rear anti-roll bar in the wagon is significantly thinner than the sedan, which is why it feels like it rolls more and understeers badly. You can get it into a steady-state drift but it's not easy - you have to do the Scandinavian Flick or really let off the throttle at the edge to unsettle the suspension while pushing hard in the wagon while in the sedan it just seemed to transition right into a neutral drift with no effort at all.
And the bad part is that you can't just take someone's takeoff sedan rear anti-roll bar because of the track difference. So you're stuck with an understeering car (which sucks if you race) and you can't fix it without getting booted out of the stock classes in road racing. Had I known that the anti-roll bar was different in the wagon, I *might* have gone for the sedan. The main reason I went for the Wagon in the first place was that I mountain bike alot and I couldn't figure out for the life of me how I could get my bike into the sedan, and at the time I was under the impression that it was hard to get a good roof-rack for the sedan. Now I've seen a few different roof rack options, and whenever I drive hard, I'm wishing I had the sedan...
So I guess the point is that if you like to drive hard or road race, you're probably not going to like the feel of the wagon, so make sure you drive both (hard) before you decide.
-B
PS: The C5 swallowed two MTBs as easy as my wagon does. :-)
Umm you are wrong on one very important part
And the bad part is that you can't just take someone's takeoff sedan rear anti-roll bar because of the track difference. So you're stuck with an understeering car
The swap takes all of 20 min if you know what you are doing.
It makes the wagon MUCH more neutral.
Last edited by davenow; Dec 19, 2002 at 03:21 PM.
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Uh, maybe I'm missing something but the two areas where the wagon doesn't perform as well as the sedan is accelleration and braking and that's because of the extra 80#. In terms of slalom speed, I seem to recall that the wagon was faster than the sedan (check Motor Trend since they are the only magazine which tested both the sedan and wagon on the slalom). Might be because of the narrower stance and/or better weight distribution.
In terms of performance on the track, all things being equal (tires and suspension set-up), the difference comes down to driver and not car potential. The extra 1" of rear track and .8" of front track doesn't seem to make a lot of difference, if any, unless you are preparing a serious track car. And there, it would be interesting to see how equally prepared cars would compare. The major advantage that I can see of the sedan is the ability to use wider tires.
In terms of performance on the track, all things being equal (tires and suspension set-up), the difference comes down to driver and not car potential. The extra 1" of rear track and .8" of front track doesn't seem to make a lot of difference, if any, unless you are preparing a serious track car. And there, it would be interesting to see how equally prepared cars would compare. The major advantage that I can see of the sedan is the ability to use wider tires.


