An old habit I picked up in my Gulf during the winters. It's not something I plan on making a habit of, but a great way to get through a corner that otherwise one might miss. Basically how bad is this move on the all wheel drive system? or am I better of tangling with a snowbank? I know, a little late in the season but just curious.

 

Why would you need to do this?

Slow down for the corner, once you reach the apex, hit the gas.

You could always lift mid corner to get the tail around a bit.


I'm not sure about the implications on the AWD system, but this seems like something a bit more tailored to a rental car.

 

it is perfectly ok on snow or ice. the lack of traction on a very slippery surface negates any problems related to differentials.

 

I am master of the hand brake, if you drive stick, and for expample say your in 3rd going about 60-65, you wanna take a nice 90 degree, First on the stright right before u hit the turn lift the hand brake while having the clutch down and ur foot on the brake pedal, this allows ABS to kick in and lets your front tires pivate. While pulling on the hand brake and u should be going about 45-50 by now on the turn , let the hand brake off fast and dropp to 2nd gear and add lots a gas, this lets your hole back end drift into a perfect 9- degree turn (i <3 all wheel drive ) you have to be fast as anything to pull this off, do it at your own risk i am not responseible if u damage your car. but yes its a sports car its ok, just a lil ware on the pads.

 

I heard the e-brake in 02 and up WRX's locks all 4 tires

 

not tru i have an 03 and only locks up the back, because the e brake is powered by a cable that runs from the cabin to the back to the brakes to lock them up, only locks up the rear.

 

Lets examine something.

Subaru's awd system with manual transmission equipped vehicles uses a viscous cupling center differential. This differential transfers power and braking forces equally between the front and rear axles.

When you use the handbrake on an awd subaru you are braking the rears primarily, but also transferring some of the braking to the front wheels. If you pull the handbrake enough to lock the rears up while the car is in motion then you're putting a lot of stress on the center diff. If you do it just a little, enough to get the car to rotate more, but without actually locking the rears, then you're causing less stress and getting much of the same effect.

As for entering a corner with the clutch in and the handbrake on.. all I have to ask is.. WHY? Leave it in the appropriate gear for corner exit.. never attempt performance driving with the clutch depressed.

You're better off with a stiffer swaybar to help the car handle more neutrally than using the handbrake... they're cheap and they're predictable.

You can also learn left foot braking..

You see the rally drivers using the handbrake, but those rally handbrakes also disconnect the rear driveshaft so that no undue stress is put on the differential... and no braking force is transferred to the front wheels.

You couldn't be more wrong. It's on a slippery surface that differential problems occur. When wheels are slipping.. even all 4, the differentials are doing all the work and heating up accordingly... and yes, you can cook them.. or burn up the clutches.

 

beaverboy your wrong dude, when ur taking the turn u drop to the next lower gear cause ur slowing down , if you know how to do this then youll know what im talking about, trust me dude ive been to the Team O'Neil driving school with my car, and i was there for 7 days and i took my car and they showed me how to drive it hand brake and to emergeny moves, and all that ive been through the training, your not a better driver than me, i passed the driving 101 12 hour dirty, tarmac, sand course with a 99.2 %proficency, my clutch and brakes are still fine... im not sayin your wrong about the differentials, but ur wrong bout not shifting to lower gear, and yes ur wrong when hand braking u should have the clutch down, cause it prevents stress on the motor and lefts the wheels roll with no pressure, and you do put it in a lower gear cause ur slowing down thats how you hop out of a turn fast.

 

Doh
I just re-read your post.. about the handbrake turn. I missed the part about actually shifting into 2nd gear.. and thought you were saying to keep the clutch thrown in until you were out of the corner. I think I understand what you're saying now though.. so you're just throwing the clutch (like you said, you ease stress on the engine/driveline) and trail braking until the car is rotating well (45deg), simultaneously doing a bit of a heel toe downshift? Am I getting that right?

Sorry about that.

 

yea just like that, once u get like past 45 deg. and u drop the clutch and hit 2nd gear the car whips the back end around rest of the way to hit that 90 deg. turn, theres some work involved but its hott when ur watching it from the outside my boy said, while filming.. lol yea but thats right tho thats how to take a 90 deg turn, like rally its ok dude dont stress it

 

Now that you're done with the driving class, could you take an english class too?

Thanks.

 

nm

 

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