Conspiracy against STI?
02-10-2004, 11:52 PM
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Conspiracy against STI?
Guys,
I'm about to pull the trigger on an STI. I was originally enthralled by the EVO's cheaper price and incredible steering. However I've always been a fan of the orignal WRX. So my question is this...
Could there be a conpiracy against the STI? Or is Mitsubishi paying off a lot of folks? Why does every mag label the EVO the victor? They say things like its easier to swing the tail out and steer with the throttle which I thought was precisely a weak point of the EVO with its peaky engine.
I understand the steering and reflexes are untouchable for almost any street car, but what about its motor. And isn't there something to be said for the STI's virtues including its exclusivity or rarity factor. I've never read an article mention this...
Also, I've recently learned about the virtues of the flat 4 compaired to inline. I don't hear magazines mentioning this much either. The Evo motor supposedly takes to mods better, yet it's starting out with much more boost.
What are your thoughts? Are these cars really much closer together and if you can get an 03 Evo for 4-5K less one should do it? Or is the Subaru really just a far superior car? If so, why?
I'm about to pull the trigger on an STI. I was originally enthralled by the EVO's cheaper price and incredible steering. However I've always been a fan of the orignal WRX. So my question is this...
Could there be a conpiracy against the STI? Or is Mitsubishi paying off a lot of folks? Why does every mag label the EVO the victor? They say things like its easier to swing the tail out and steer with the throttle which I thought was precisely a weak point of the EVO with its peaky engine.
I understand the steering and reflexes are untouchable for almost any street car, but what about its motor. And isn't there something to be said for the STI's virtues including its exclusivity or rarity factor. I've never read an article mention this...
Also, I've recently learned about the virtues of the flat 4 compaired to inline. I don't hear magazines mentioning this much either. The Evo motor supposedly takes to mods better, yet it's starting out with much more boost.
What are your thoughts? Are these cars really much closer together and if you can get an 03 Evo for 4-5K less one should do it? Or is the Subaru really just a far superior car? If so, why?
02-11-2004, 07:29 AM
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I would rather have the STi. Like you said, the EVO starts out running higher boost to make power, but the STi has more displacement. That extra .5 litre means a lot for drivability (lots more power down low - no waiting for the turbo to spool to get decent power). And as for the suspension, unless you're planning to auto-x, the STi will be more than adequate on the street. My .02
02-11-2004, 09:36 AM
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It all comes down to this. I was in my STi with a buddy in it, raced an Evo with one person in it, and I won. If you want a mitsu, go buy a DSM talon/eclipse. It will cost 1/10th of the Evo's price and is basically the same set up. Then throw in 10G in mods and whoop on Evo's.
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02-11-2004, 09:48 AM
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Yeah but noone disputes it when 10 mags say the M3 or 911 is the king of its domain. If the EVO keeps winning, does that mean we have the inferior car? Not that it matters that much to me because I buy the car for me. But at this point, I haven't quite signed on the STI yet.
So if I can get an EVO for 3K less (albeit 03') am I stupid for not doing it. Especially considering I do like the steering handling. However I like the interior and power of the STI. It looks good too. I'm justifying the STI by those factors plus my gut instinct that it will hold its value better due to it being a little more rare - at least I think so.
So if I can get an EVO for 3K less (albeit 03') am I stupid for not doing it. Especially considering I do like the steering handling. However I like the interior and power of the STI. It looks good too. I'm justifying the STI by those factors plus my gut instinct that it will hold its value better due to it being a little more rare - at least I think so.
02-11-2004, 09:53 AM
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IMO the STi has a better engine and drivetrain set-up. You throw on some aftermarket swaybars and strut braces and you handle just as good as the EVO. By the way, I toasted a few EVO in straight runs and back road bashing. Also the EVO has a clutch problem. Two of my friends have had their EVO clutches replaced.
02-11-2004, 10:45 AM
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The EVO wins the contests because all the testing is done on the track where the EVO's handling shines. The slightly better handling is what gives it that bit of edge over the STI on paper. I'd rather have an STI tho, especially in real world driving scenarios
02-11-2004, 11:38 AM
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Personally I like the EVO better, I think it looks better and handles better. I prefer handling to power. Any idiot can stop on the Gas pedal and go fast but what seperates the men from the kids are how you tackle those corners. Plus its easier to do power mods on the EVO and not screw anything up, but tackling suspension is very tricky. You could do more harm to your handling due to incorrect suspension installs. Personally I feel just strut and sway replacements on the STi won't let you out handle the EVO. Yes you will reduce understeer but I don't think the Gs you pull on the skid pad would change, only the way the car turns would (meaning you probably won't be able to take the corner faster). Tire and strut would definately impact handling much more. Question is do you want to change out those parts on the $30K + you already spent on the STi to hopefully get close to an Evo's handling or do you want to put easy to do power mods on the EVO (not to mention cheaper) to get upto an STi's acceleration. That choice is your. What some people on these forums don't get is that while performance is everything to them, for others like myself and my friends looks and some amount of comfort also matters. They might tell you get the STi and smoke the others at stop lights .... to that I would say you may be faster but your 04' STi still looks like a turd and I will still laugh and point at your ugly car. Performance don't cure UGLY!
02-11-2004, 12:05 PM
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So looks is very subjective. I used t prefer the STI, then I got into the EVO after I had seen some lowered on some wheels. The Evo has more of a sleek look with a pointed nose and inverted scoop. Whereas the STI has a rounded yet squared off nose with a huge scoop. One looks doberman slick and fast and the other looks pitbull square and strong. Which is more ugly is anyone's guess. Both may be ugly to non-gearheads like us who understand their purpose in life.
What I do wonder about is why the EVO is so much more easy to modify for more power, yet its already a smaller motor and pushing nearly 20 psi. Then what about the durability of that motor with more and more boost, vs the flat boxer style of the STI?
What I do wonder about is why the EVO is so much more easy to modify for more power, yet its already a smaller motor and pushing nearly 20 psi. Then what about the durability of that motor with more and more boost, vs the flat boxer style of the STI?
02-11-2004, 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by DaWorstPlaya
Personally I feel just strut and sway replacements on the STi won't let you out handle the EVO. Yes you will reduce understeer but I don't think the Gs you pull on the skid pad would change, only the way the car turns would (meaning you probably won't be able to take the corner faster). Tire and strut would definately impact handling much more.
Personally I feel just strut and sway replacements on the STi won't let you out handle the EVO. Yes you will reduce understeer but I don't think the Gs you pull on the skid pad would change, only the way the car turns would (meaning you probably won't be able to take the corner faster). Tire and strut would definately impact handling much more.
i thought that in most mags the evo has been outperforming(for the most part anyway) the sti in all acceleration and braking tests. whether or not this is the case, how big of a part do you think the wider wheels on the evo(235 vs. 225) play?
02-11-2004, 01:42 PM
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The EVO engine is made of a cast iron block, much stronger than the cast aluminium block used on the WRX and STi. Iron is has less thermal expansion properties than aluminium, therefore withstands more heat and higher pressures (good for engines). That is why I think the EVO can handle more PSI of boost. The EVO engine (4G63) has been out there for 13 years but the STi 2.5 engine has yet to prove its worth.
02-11-2004, 02:17 PM
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The Evo and RX-7 have totally different powerplants. Evo is a inline 4, RX is rotary. The Evo is like a third gen Diamond Star motor (1G & 2G Talon/Eclipse). The 1G is a great motor. The 2G DSM motor BLOWS, that motor has had some issues. A bigger motor that is pushing less boost (Subaru) is a better spot to start modding. Subaru has the stronger drivetrain too. Magazines are not real life, personal situations where the Evo has fallen have already been posted. I personally hate the interior of the Evo. Either choice you will have a quick car.
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