2.5 inch exhaust better than 3'' for below 300hp?
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2.5 inch exhaust better than 3'' for below 300hp?
http://www.spdusa.com/exhaust.htm
According to these guys a 2.5 inch exhaust helps the turbo spool up faster than a 3 inch exhaust for 300 hp or less. Does anyone know if this is true or not? I think you guys might want to browse their site a little because there is some interesting information that I'm sure you would like to know.
According to these guys a 2.5 inch exhaust helps the turbo spool up faster than a 3 inch exhaust for 300 hp or less. Does anyone know if this is true or not? I think you guys might want to browse their site a little because there is some interesting information that I'm sure you would like to know.
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I could be completely wrong on this, but it might be because the turbo uses backpressure to drive it, and the 3" pipes allow too much flow for the turbo to spool up on a car with less than 300hp. Using 2.5" pipes restricts the flow a bit and allows more backpressure to build up.
I have a slight difference of opinion about the size of the pipe. My logic is this: if the factory offers a bigger bore muffler to get some free horsepower while sacrificing some silence, then a bigger bore has to be better. Meanwhile, the turbo uses exhaust FLOW to power it. More flow, ie, faster discharge through a bigger bore, more force to the turbo. Back pressure is the enemy, not the friend.
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According to Bernoulli's principle, a faster moving fluid (air) is associated with a lower pressure. This is what causes lift on an airplane wing. If it's true that a 3" pipe allows for faster exhaust speeds than a 2.5" pipe, then the pressure of the ehaust moving across the turbo blades would have less pressure. Imagine putting your finger over a water hose. The hose with the greater pressure will get the "fan blades" moving quicker. Of course, like most of my logic, it could be completely wrong.ô¿ô
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yeah i thought the 3'' would be better also....do you think they tested more than one 3'' and more than one 2.5'' exhaust?...maybe what they say is just true with one brand or something?
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as big of an exhaust you can fit under there, put it. The larger the better. I run a 3"mandrel bent, turbo back w/ no cat/silencer etc. The turbo will spool slightly faster with a smaller exhaust , but you will lose out on top end horsepower and increase backpreassure causing the torque to jump up as a biproduct of this.
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Originally posted by dougboudreau
According to Bernoulli's principle, a faster moving fluid (air) is associated with a lower pressure. This is what causes lift on an airplane wing. If it's true that a 3" pipe allows for faster exhaust speeds than a 2.5" pipe, then the pressure of the ehaust moving across the turbo blades would have less pressure. Imagine putting your finger over a water hose. The hose with the greater pressure will get the "fan blades" moving quicker. Of course, like most of my logic, it could be completely wrong.ô¿ô
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According to Bernoulli's principle, a faster moving fluid (air) is associated with a lower pressure. This is what causes lift on an airplane wing. If it's true that a 3" pipe allows for faster exhaust speeds than a 2.5" pipe, then the pressure of the ehaust moving across the turbo blades would have less pressure. Imagine putting your finger over a water hose. The hose with the greater pressure will get the "fan blades" moving quicker. Of course, like most of my logic, it could be completely wrong.ô¿ô
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Comming out of the engine you don't want a 3" pipe to the turbine because of this reason but after the turbo you want the exhaust as free flowing as possible. Just think if you shrunk the exhaust and turbo down to the size of a straw and you blew into it to spin the turbine. If you had a smaller "turbo back" on it, it would be harder to spin the turbine than if you had a bigger "turbo back".
Also, Mike is a nice guy and back in the day he was one of the only subaru sites but he is extreemely conservative.
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If you have a car that already doesn't have much torque to get you moving then keep in mind you will sacrifice more of your torque to gain the hp for the top end. Its all in how you want your car to drive and what you will use it for. If all you care about is top end or drag racing then go for it cause in both those situations it won't matter since you can either rev the hell out of the motor or you will want better trap speed. If its stop light to stop light daily driven all around car then it might be more of a concern. I think it also comes down to a matter of overkill. If you don't intend to go beyond 300hp then would it really be needed to spend the extra money on an exhaust that will make little difference on a car that won't be pushing the limits of a 2.5in exhaust.
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Its all in how you want your car to drive and what you will use it for.
But then you start breaking gears, horsepower is great on the open highway, but those are in very short supply here in New Jersey.
A 2.5 inch system just maked sense for a daily driver and eliminates all sorts or clearance problems, dif protectors, hitches.
IMO
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so 2.5 is better for torque? they said the 3'' didnt improve the top end at all if i remember correctly...they said b/c you got no top end power increase that it was just not worth it unless you wanted 300+ hp
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Originally posted by awns729
so 2.5 is better for torque? they said the 3'' didnt improve the top end at all if i remember correctly...they said b/c you got no top end power increase that it was just not worth it unless you wanted 300+ hp
so 2.5 is better for torque? they said the 3'' didnt improve the top end at all if i remember correctly...they said b/c you got no top end power increase that it was just not worth it unless you wanted 300+ hp
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Yes, it is better for better torque. It is also relative to your setup. If you have a stock car, and the factory boost setting is 7psi, and it comes stock w/a 2" exhaust, then yes. A smaller size piping will do just fine. It is when people start raising the boost, putting larger turbo's on etc when that rule no longer applies. Just cause it will produce good tq #'s doesn't mean it's good for the car.
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Your car still gets its torque from the engine itself since off of idle your turbo won't be spun up to speed and making positive manifold pressure. The turbo will add to the hp and somewhat add to torque but not in the way that you think. Try taking off your exhaust completely and you'll see what I am referring to. The car will be a gutless pig without spooling up the turbo.


