IMHO, I think Subaru made a big mistake
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IMHO, I think Subaru made a big mistake
Every time I look at the redesigned impreza front I get sick, man it looks just like a Sentra, while the other improvements are great those heads, and especially the fogs make it look cheap and unoriginal. Now with us finally getting a look at the STi thats comming here to the US I am again reminded of my disapointment of the design change, I so wish it was an STi with Bug eyes, that car looks so much better and original. I also dont understand Subaru axing the Wagon for 2004, thats just stupid. Sportwagons are at a height of popularity with the 02/03 WRX, the Mazda Protege5, and the Matrix, the wagon would probably outsell the sedan in the next two years or at least be close. I dont know just some rants.
i coulnd't disagree more.
i liked the buggie, and still do. the new design is much nicer on the eyes, and will please the euro and asian countries. the tuned cars from the auto salon just look awesome.
this is the best thing subaru has done, and the sales of this redesign will prove that.
where did you hear they axing the wagon? i believe they are importing those as well, just not an STi.
remember, everyones opinions are different. subaru HAD to have done extensive testing of the new design before they released it. all the euro mags love it, and the japanese market is foaming at the mouth for them. much better welcome in the markets they make the most money. that is exactly waht subaru wanted.
i welcome the redesign, and can't wait to get my STi.
josh
i liked the buggie, and still do. the new design is much nicer on the eyes, and will please the euro and asian countries. the tuned cars from the auto salon just look awesome.
this is the best thing subaru has done, and the sales of this redesign will prove that.
where did you hear they axing the wagon? i believe they are importing those as well, just not an STi.
remember, everyones opinions are different. subaru HAD to have done extensive testing of the new design before they released it. all the euro mags love it, and the japanese market is foaming at the mouth for them. much better welcome in the markets they make the most money. that is exactly waht subaru wanted.
i welcome the redesign, and can't wait to get my STi.
josh
It's music to my ears whenever I hear someone dis the STI. I like the new look and I know the STI will be scarce so for everyone who doesn't like it, it increases my chances of getting one. I actually think the lights look like the previous generation Corolla. I still like it.
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Originally posted by Scoobie Doogie
The wagons appearantly did not sell enough to keep them around.
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The wagons appearantly did not sell enough to keep them around.
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personally, i like the bug eye version better, youll be getting headlight comments about the sti too cause i think the lights look like that of the rsx. but thats my opinion. everybody is entitled to their own.
and as for the wagons. i have seen the brochure, and they are keeping them for 04. dont worry they wont get rid of em that easy.
and as for the wagons. i have seen the brochure, and they are keeping them for 04. dont worry they wont get rid of em that easy.
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Yeah, they can't be getting rid of the Wagons. Only question I have is they gonna offer the moonroof on the wagons too? See the press release below if your still not convinced.
http://impreza.subaru.com/microsites...sp?articleID=2
As to the original topic, I like the new front end. Sure it's not as original, but I'd rather it be compared to a Sentra than a Neon anyday.
http://impreza.subaru.com/microsites...sp?articleID=2
As to the original topic, I like the new front end. Sure it's not as original, but I'd rather it be compared to a Sentra than a Neon anyday.
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I agree with the first post on 'originality'. However, i'm also a big fan of tradition, or heritage in car designs, like how most Mazdas resember and compliment each other. e.g. rear end of Miata, RX-7, Millenia, etc. have very similar lines.
In that sense, my '02 WRX is a stepchild from rest of Subaru models, including previous Imprezas. I liked the originality of '02 but I think the new design is a better one. plus, '02 wasnt really a grondbreaking design... a la oversees Corollas, Neons (damn Neons!
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Still, my favorite is the '02 WRC model. So, i finally got some Orciaris
In that sense, my '02 WRX is a stepchild from rest of Subaru models, including previous Imprezas. I liked the originality of '02 but I think the new design is a better one. plus, '02 wasnt really a grondbreaking design... a la oversees Corollas, Neons (damn Neons!
)Still, my favorite is the '02 WRC model. So, i finally got some Orciaris
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The wagons are selling pretty well considering they are NEVER advertised. When was the last time you saw an advertisement or a commercial for the WRX Wagon? [/QUOTE]
Actually every print ad I see is for the Wagon, check out ski magazine, and a few others I've seen, its the snowmobile with a turbo ad.
As for them not making a WRX wagon for 2004, check out the copies of the brochure no mention of a wagon, looks like its out.
Finally, I still love the bug eyes, never once had it compared to a neon (only people who mention that are pre 2002 impreza owners and internet car club members) but thats because I have a wagon, its often compared to a MB. sorry to inform everyone but the majority of Impreza and even WRX owners in the US bought the car because of its looks and features over its performance and are not members of this or any other site.
Now I'm sure the STi will sell like hotcakes, but as for the WRX I think Subaru will see a sharp decline in sales in the US, now obviously this will be a result of the STi and Evo's release but I think the redesign, and absence of the wagon will be the even bigger problem.
Actually every print ad I see is for the Wagon, check out ski magazine, and a few others I've seen, its the snowmobile with a turbo ad.
As for them not making a WRX wagon for 2004, check out the copies of the brochure no mention of a wagon, looks like its out.
Finally, I still love the bug eyes, never once had it compared to a neon (only people who mention that are pre 2002 impreza owners and internet car club members) but thats because I have a wagon, its often compared to a MB. sorry to inform everyone but the majority of Impreza and even WRX owners in the US bought the car because of its looks and features over its performance and are not members of this or any other site.
Now I'm sure the STi will sell like hotcakes, but as for the WRX I think Subaru will see a sharp decline in sales in the US, now obviously this will be a result of the STi and Evo's release but I think the redesign, and absence of the wagon will be the even bigger problem.
hey judge
the wagon will be in the line up. trust me.
the sales will not decline. just as you stated
"sorry to inform everyone but the majority of Impreza and even WRX owners in the US bought the car because of its looks and features over its performance and are not members of this or any other site"
so very true. only a fraction of the people who own wrx's actually visit this site, or even post. but as you said, people are buying for looks and features. there is no car on the market that can compete with the wrx. it is the best bang for your buck car out there, and just as some liked the "old" bug eyes, many more will buy it for the "new" look. i didnt buy mine based on looks. if i wanted looks, than i would have bought something else.
the non-wrx will continue to rise in sales, and more likely out sell the outback and forester soon. the evo is not competition for the base model, and is a limited production car, as the STi. there will be many many people who will be super happy with the base model wrx.
subaru has created its own niche now with the wrx. trust me when i say it will continue to grow in popularity.
josh
the wagon will be in the line up. trust me.
the sales will not decline. just as you stated
"sorry to inform everyone but the majority of Impreza and even WRX owners in the US bought the car because of its looks and features over its performance and are not members of this or any other site"
so very true. only a fraction of the people who own wrx's actually visit this site, or even post. but as you said, people are buying for looks and features. there is no car on the market that can compete with the wrx. it is the best bang for your buck car out there, and just as some liked the "old" bug eyes, many more will buy it for the "new" look. i didnt buy mine based on looks. if i wanted looks, than i would have bought something else.
the non-wrx will continue to rise in sales, and more likely out sell the outback and forester soon. the evo is not competition for the base model, and is a limited production car, as the STi. there will be many many people who will be super happy with the base model wrx.
subaru has created its own niche now with the wrx. trust me when i say it will continue to grow in popularity.
josh
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Originally posted by JudgeWRX
sorry to inform everyone but the majority of Impreza and even WRX owners in the US bought the car because of its looks and features over its performance and are not members of this or any other site.
sorry to inform everyone but the majority of Impreza and even WRX owners in the US bought the car because of its looks and features over its performance and are not members of this or any other site.
No, I suspect most if not nearly all WRX owners knew what they were buying, and did not discover by accident one day during a spirited run that their car actually has some *****.
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Josh: Have you seen the brochure for the 2004 WRX & STi, no wagon pictures, no mention on list of options no mention of a wagon at all. General opinion says it will be discontinued for 2004, probably reintroduced in 2005. I hope your right but I dont think so.
Drover: first off I was making a blanket statement towards all Imprezas, what gets the person in the dealership, the looks of a car ask any dealer, options are second. So even the majority of WRX owners were first drawn to the dealership on the looks of the car then saw the value of the WRX over an RS, TS, or OBS and made their decision. The majority of us are twenty somethings and have a twentysomething POV, I'm talking about the majority of new car consumers who are 30+. The real increase of Impreza sales that occured in the US were not soley because of the introduction of the WRX, but the redesign, I feel based on the pictures I have seen that the new WRX will not sell as well because it looks like every other car the same as previous Imprezas in the US which never sold well (except for the OBS), the STi I'm sure will sell great because it has a niche, but still wont do as well as the 02-03 WRX. Only time will tell.
Drover: first off I was making a blanket statement towards all Imprezas, what gets the person in the dealership, the looks of a car ask any dealer, options are second. So even the majority of WRX owners were first drawn to the dealership on the looks of the car then saw the value of the WRX over an RS, TS, or OBS and made their decision. The majority of us are twenty somethings and have a twentysomething POV, I'm talking about the majority of new car consumers who are 30+. The real increase of Impreza sales that occured in the US were not soley because of the introduction of the WRX, but the redesign, I feel based on the pictures I have seen that the new WRX will not sell as well because it looks like every other car the same as previous Imprezas in the US which never sold well (except for the OBS), the STi I'm sure will sell great because it has a niche, but still wont do as well as the 02-03 WRX. Only time will tell.
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Originally posted by josh
i agree homerjay
everyone seems to forget how much the bug eyes look like a NEON. ugg. i never got over all the neon comments from strangers and friends....
josh
i agree homerjay
everyone seems to forget how much the bug eyes look like a NEON. ugg. i never got over all the neon comments from strangers and friends....
josh
A friend of mine once said that the current WRX front end looks like a "scared catfish." :P
yes i have seen it. it is a super early addition brochure.
and the increase was not from the redesign, is was the wrx. sure there are thousands who had no idea what a wrx was and there are many grandma's driving rex's. the looks was the most contraversal negative every magazine or review i read. the responce hee was very negative, but it grew on all of us, and as i said before i didnt buy it for looks. i bought it cuz it was awd and had a ej20.
when the 2.5 RS came out, impreza sales started to climb. it is subaru's cultish following that caused that increase, and it continued to climb right up until the redesign (first year sales ~2500 to something like ~11500 in 01'). i would have been MUCH happier with a wrx in the old body style, but instead we got the bug eyes.
you are very strong in your opinions, and you seem to make large blanket statements based on that. for the most part, i hope you are wrong and right. i would live for the wrx to return to its cult status, and not see them every 6th car on the road like i do now. so hopefully you are right. but in terms of subarus success, i hope the redesign takes off like wildfire. more models will come from overseas (B4) and possibly more unique US models will be designed.
but as for the wagon, i would be absolutely shocked if they dropped it. its sales between the outback, ts and wrx must outsell the sedan. i see just as many wagons if not more here in california. i will do some research and get back to you.
josh
and the increase was not from the redesign, is was the wrx. sure there are thousands who had no idea what a wrx was and there are many grandma's driving rex's. the looks was the most contraversal negative every magazine or review i read. the responce hee was very negative, but it grew on all of us, and as i said before i didnt buy it for looks. i bought it cuz it was awd and had a ej20.
when the 2.5 RS came out, impreza sales started to climb. it is subaru's cultish following that caused that increase, and it continued to climb right up until the redesign (first year sales ~2500 to something like ~11500 in 01'). i would have been MUCH happier with a wrx in the old body style, but instead we got the bug eyes.
you are very strong in your opinions, and you seem to make large blanket statements based on that. for the most part, i hope you are wrong and right. i would live for the wrx to return to its cult status, and not see them every 6th car on the road like i do now. so hopefully you are right. but in terms of subarus success, i hope the redesign takes off like wildfire. more models will come from overseas (B4) and possibly more unique US models will be designed.
but as for the wagon, i would be absolutely shocked if they dropped it. its sales between the outback, ts and wrx must outsell the sedan. i see just as many wagons if not more here in california. i will do some research and get back to you.
josh