EVO again over STi
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EVO again over STi
in Sports Car International July 2003 issue picks EVO for real world driving and STi for racing track! I have yet to read a review comparing the two cars without EVO coming in first.
Bummer as I have a deposit down on an STi. Also my gut reaction tells me to trust Subaru over Mitsubishi.
Bummer as I have a deposit down on an STi. Also my gut reaction tells me to trust Subaru over Mitsubishi.
well i'll tell you this, the evolution series cars are by far the most highly engineered cars out there today. in terms of track racing and tuning, the evolution has been one to dominate in japan for many years. i know that most people (including myself) don't have good taste for mitsubishi, but that's only in the american market. when it comes to the evolution, one of their flagship cars, they don't want to break it's heritage and quality, especially when bringing it to america for the first time. i can honestly say that had i known that the evolution was coming down, i would have waited, however, i am very happy with my wrx and wouldn't trade it for anything else, not even an STi, knowing that i own a piece of history. these cars are built tough and are nothing like those crappy eagle talon's or eclipses. yeah they all have a 4g63 engine, but that's just the engine code and has nothing to do with the engine itself as far as tuning, internals, etc. the evolution block is totally different. much like the EJ series engines. EJ20 is just the engine code, but the EJ20 in the WRX and the EJ20 in the STi is totally different. bottom line, the Evolution is a great car, however, the STi is also a great car. again, it doesn't matter what the magazines say, it just matters what you want, these cars are so close in numbers that it doesn't even matter what you get. shoot, i would buy both if i had the money.
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Well said clamdip
I also have a WRX and wouldn't trade it. But I thought the STi would have even better handling powers than the WRX and got caught up in the excitement of the STi coming to the US.
It will be interesting (to me) to see what I do in 6 or 7 months when I become 1st in line at my dealer. I'm last right now.
It will be interesting (to me) to see what I do in 6 or 7 months when I become 1st in line at my dealer. I'm last right now.
well don't worry if you don't get an STi just yet. who knows, maybe next year they will introduce something much better with more power and better handling. where there's one, there's always one better. this is just the beginning.
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Re: EVO again over STi
Originally posted by infinity5235
in Sports Car International July 2003 issue picks EVO for real world driving and STi for racing track!
in Sports Car International July 2003 issue picks EVO for real world driving and STi for racing track!
Can you scan this test for us?
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It's a 6 page article, but the guts of it (at least for the author) follows:
"The (STi) chassis translates less effectively off the track, especially over uneven surfaces. Here the stiffer suspension settings that give the STi such composure on a closed course have removed much of the compliance that makes the regular WRX such an effective tool in the real world. There's still plenty of outright grip and the differentials work just as effectively at keeping understeer to a minimum, but imperfections that the standard WRX could easily absorb cause the STi to joggle and jerk, upsetting the balance of the car in the process. And all that shaking and crashing begins to grow tiresome after a while...
We could probably accept the ride if we planned to autocross our STi regularly or use it primarily for track driving, but it's perhaps just a little too hardcore for a daily driver."
Article written by Alexander Palevsky.
"The (STi) chassis translates less effectively off the track, especially over uneven surfaces. Here the stiffer suspension settings that give the STi such composure on a closed course have removed much of the compliance that makes the regular WRX such an effective tool in the real world. There's still plenty of outright grip and the differentials work just as effectively at keeping understeer to a minimum, but imperfections that the standard WRX could easily absorb cause the STi to joggle and jerk, upsetting the balance of the car in the process. And all that shaking and crashing begins to grow tiresome after a while...
We could probably accept the ride if we planned to autocross our STi regularly or use it primarily for track driving, but it's perhaps just a little too hardcore for a daily driver."
Article written by Alexander Palevsky.
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No, I'm sorry you got this impression. They were comparing the STi vs. the EVO and the EVO was the winner hands down for non-track use.
The EVO on a winding back country road left the STi in the dust. "By the time I reach the first (and only) stop sign of the route, the STi is nothing but a small blue blur up on the hillside behind me."
The article ends, "And yet, compared to the Lancer, the STi seems to require a ton of steering lock and its responses are eerily detached. Just a fraction of the Evo's intimacy makes its way through the STi's wheels, so I have to put faith in its technical abilities and just hang on for the ride. That's easier said than done, especially on the bumpy sections where the Subaru's stiffer suspension threatens to knock the car off-line. Despite my obvious power advantage, I'm only able to catch up to Marco (driving the EVO) in the short, straight bits that connect the turns before he barrels deep into the next corner. It's a clear battle of brawn versus finesse, and Subaru seems to have plenty of the former but not enough of the latter. When I finally catch up to Marco. his gigantic smile says it all: This round clearly goes to the car wearing the diamond star."
The two of them switched cars going and coming.
The EVO on a winding back country road left the STi in the dust. "By the time I reach the first (and only) stop sign of the route, the STi is nothing but a small blue blur up on the hillside behind me."
The article ends, "And yet, compared to the Lancer, the STi seems to require a ton of steering lock and its responses are eerily detached. Just a fraction of the Evo's intimacy makes its way through the STi's wheels, so I have to put faith in its technical abilities and just hang on for the ride. That's easier said than done, especially on the bumpy sections where the Subaru's stiffer suspension threatens to knock the car off-line. Despite my obvious power advantage, I'm only able to catch up to Marco (driving the EVO) in the short, straight bits that connect the turns before he barrels deep into the next corner. It's a clear battle of brawn versus finesse, and Subaru seems to have plenty of the former but not enough of the latter. When I finally catch up to Marco. his gigantic smile says it all: This round clearly goes to the car wearing the diamond star."
The two of them switched cars going and coming.
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You could be right but that most of the reviews so far (AutoWeek, etc.) are saying pretty much the same thing. For every day driving the EVO does better.
I'm a loyal Subaru WRX guy and I guess the only answer is to drive both myself. I have a drive lined up next week on the EVO. However, trying to find an STi to try out is another story.
I'm a loyal Subaru WRX guy and I guess the only answer is to drive both myself. I have a drive lined up next week on the EVO. However, trying to find an STi to try out is another story.
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Maybe it's all down to subjective interpretation.......but from all the mag reviews I've read so far (for USDM cars) the testers say (almost) unanimously that the Evo is the better track car and the STI is the better road car for daily driving (in general)................. for day-to-day street driving the reviews of the Evo say the ride is less compliant than the STi (less well suited to rough/bumpy roads) and the very direct steering can be a pain on expressway driving because it needs constant attention to keep it on the straight-and-narrow.
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Car and Driver for June 2003:
"the steering gear of the STi is quicker than the standard WRX's, is slow compared with the gokart-like Evo helm."
"the aggressive tires that provide 0.90g of grip on the skidpad absolutely howl on grainy pavement, often at a frequency that excites every panel in the interior into vibratory ecstacy."
"the aluminum hood and plastic rear spoiler bounce and bow at speed"
"despite its power advantage, the STi trailed the livelier handling Evolution on twisting roads up and down Palomar Mt. in SoCal and on the Streets of Willow road course."
And on the dirt road coarse where Rod Millen drove both cars, the Evo placed considerably higher marks for its performance.
I'm utterly disappointed. C&D said that the STi basically only looks good on paper
"the steering gear of the STi is quicker than the standard WRX's, is slow compared with the gokart-like Evo helm."
"the aggressive tires that provide 0.90g of grip on the skidpad absolutely howl on grainy pavement, often at a frequency that excites every panel in the interior into vibratory ecstacy."
"the aluminum hood and plastic rear spoiler bounce and bow at speed"
"despite its power advantage, the STi trailed the livelier handling Evolution on twisting roads up and down Palomar Mt. in SoCal and on the Streets of Willow road course."
And on the dirt road coarse where Rod Millen drove both cars, the Evo placed considerably higher marks for its performance.
I'm utterly disappointed. C&D said that the STi basically only looks good on paper
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Thanks Larrio. Unfortunately that is kind of what I've been reading too. I still don't want to believe it, but the new STi certainly has been getting its marks in the lower part of the graph.
The shame is that I absolutely love its looks and really don't think much of the EVO's styling.
In AutoWeek (with a barely broken in STi) the EVO Brembo's stopped faster (60 to zero) than any car they have tested, 100 feet. The STi was their second shortest ever tested at 111 feet.
The shame is that I absolutely love its looks and really don't think much of the EVO's styling.
In AutoWeek (with a barely broken in STi) the EVO Brembo's stopped faster (60 to zero) than any car they have tested, 100 feet. The STi was their second shortest ever tested at 111 feet.
hmmm, and yet with all this information the Evolution still doesn't win the hearts of many individuals. i'm tellin ya, mitsubishi really put time and effort into this car, as well as i'm sure subaru has with the STi. i'm not trying to be baised towards the evolution nor the STi. why can't we just accept that they're both rally inspired cars and both have their ups and downs, which i'm sure goes for anything and everything. let's just leave it that they both have a very solid history both as rallycars and as road and track cars, they both are among some of the few 4-cyl. cars that can spank many cars above their class, and last but not least, they aren't neons, civics, integra's, etc. 
so it's really subjective, take your pick, there's a big market moving along here in the U.S. and you don't want to be left behind, this is just the beginning.
so it's really subjective, take your pick, there's a big market moving along here in the U.S. and you don't want to be left behind, this is just the beginning.