Dumb question: Why is there no STi Wagon?
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actually, i think the reason they developed the EJ257 was because of the particular tastes of US drivers. as a market, we're used to very torquey motors, something a 2.0 liter turbo isn't known for. by adding the extra half liter, they were able to generate a lot more torque for US buyers. lets face it, Cameros make a hell of a lot more torque than a WRX, and that's what Subaru was worried about, more so than the EVO.
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And don't forget that the JDM STi keeps up well with the USDM due to the fewer cats on the JDM which allow more H.P. to the wheels (despite have 20 odd less H.P. at the crank).
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eh nope, didnt you know that a lot of JDM cars dyno higher then the advertised hp?? ex; r34 skyline
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actually, i think the reason they developed the EJ257 was because of the particular tastes of US drivers. as a market, we're used to very torquey motors, something a 2.0 liter turbo isn't known for. by adding the extra half liter, they were able to generate a lot more torque for US buyers. lets face it, Cameros make a hell of a lot more torque than a WRX, and that's what Subaru was worried about, more so than the EVO.
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They did it because SOA wanted to compete with the EVO. The JDM STI gets 300 hp is because of less cats/lower emissions and higher octane gas.
You know what happen to the JDM STI if imported into the US? Look at the evo. 271 hp
It's harder to get 300hp out of a 2.0 then it is to get 300hp out of a 2.5
if the JDM STI did get imported to the states raw the specs are 276 hp/283 lb. tq. Since JDM cars are toned down due to a gentlemen's agreement in Japan then I would think that it would have as much torque if not more then the USDM Sti.
Sorry if I didn't make sense =[ Im only 14
And don't forget that the JDM STi keeps up well with the USDM due to the fewer cats on the JDM which allow more H.P. to the wheels (despite have 20 odd less H.P. at the crank).
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eh nope, didnt you know that a lot of JDM cars dyno higher then the advertised hp?? ex; r34 skyline
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actually, i think the reason they developed the EJ257 was because of the particular tastes of US drivers. as a market, we're used to very torquey motors, something a 2.0 liter turbo isn't known for. by adding the extra half liter, they were able to generate a lot more torque for US buyers. lets face it, Cameros make a hell of a lot more torque than a WRX, and that's what Subaru was worried about, more so than the EVO.
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They did it because SOA wanted to compete with the EVO. The JDM STI gets 300 hp is because of less cats/lower emissions and higher octane gas.
You know what happen to the JDM STI if imported into the US? Look at the evo. 271 hp
It's harder to get 300hp out of a 2.0 then it is to get 300hp out of a 2.5 if the JDM STI did get imported to the states raw the specs are 276 hp/283 lb. tq. Since JDM cars are toned down due to a gentlemen's agreement in Japan then I would think that it would have as much torque if not more then the USDM Sti.
Sorry if I didn't make sense =[ Im only 14
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Hello lilfoofighter: In consideration of your age, I'll be kind... You should be more careful about how you put things in this forum. A lot of us have been into Imprezas and cars in general for a long time, and most of us have a pretty good idea of what we're saying. Take, for example, the comment about the 280hp JDM STi. If you enjoy Option magazine like me, you would've seen their August 2002 issue where they dyno stock models of GDB STi, Evo VII, R34 GT-R, and FD3S. On the RE Amemiya dyno, they indeed did show numbers that were very accurate to factory ratings on the STi. The Evo VII had a few more horsies, as did the FD3S. The GT-R was the only standout, creating quite a bit more horsepower than rated. The 280ps "gentlemen's agreement" of Japanese auto manufacturers is well known, but exactly how many horsepower over the self-imposed limit depends on what model of car you're examining. What is important to remember in this instance is that the US STi is hampered by extra cats, along with its AWD system. The JDM STi is lighter and has fewer exhaust obstacles in its design, thus allowing it to put more power to the ground. The extra cats are so restrictive that it takes the US STi's extra 29 hp over the Evo and nearly makes it moot in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile.
As for the development of the EJ25T, you and dropkick muppet both bring up good points. Still you should be a bit more respectful, not because of your age necessarily but because we here like to operate with a sense of mutual respect. So the next time you see something you agree with, just offer your opinion instead of the whole "Uhh naw I dun think so" attitude. With that, welcome to the club!
As for the development of the EJ25T, you and dropkick muppet both bring up good points. Still you should be a bit more respectful, not because of your age necessarily but because we here like to operate with a sense of mutual respect. So the next time you see something you agree with, just offer your opinion instead of the whole "Uhh naw I dun think so" attitude. With that, welcome to the club!
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Originally posted by brucelee
If Japan got the 2.5 litre, we'd all be whining and crying because the get all the good stuff.
If Japan got the 2.5 litre, we'd all be whining and crying because the get all the good stuff.
Gut your cats if you feel the need to and please stop fighting displacement to the grave...revel in that 'merican torque . I'm sure someone in japan is trying to import a US STi motor as we speak...
Or you could just buy a JDM engine and swap out the 2.5, I'll be the first to buy it off of you and laugh all the way to I-Speed with my RS... In fact that is my new rallying cry: YOU GOT JIPPED SWAP YOUR 2.5L STI MOTORS FOR THE SUPERIOR JDM 2.0L!!!!
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The coupe was the GC8 model, and they were the 22b and STi Ver. V Type RA (if I recall correctly). They were cool indeed
The coupe was the GC8 model, and they were the 22b and STi Ver. V Type RA (if I recall correctly). They were cool indeed
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If I remember my car history....
The mustang and camaro both had 302 V-8s for the BOSS and Z-28. These were so that they could be the same as the race cars. After a couple of years, the 350, 427, and other engines came into play, because they made more power. So, were the later engines make the cars any less valid?
Yeah, so we don't get the rally engine....neither does Japan. Som much other work goes into the design of the rally engine that the displacement is more of a side-note than anything else. Personally I love the fact that they made a 2.5 turbo and borught it here before anywhere else (the STi and XT are the first for the new 2.5 turbo. It might get more usage worldwide later)
as for the wagon, I agree. But the reason there aren't as many variants on cars as there was back in the 50s and 60s is due to crash regs. Every new model must go through expensive testing to prove it meets the standard of EACH country. The more diverse a lineup, the harder to make money on a model. and the STi is already low-volume, try breaking it up into Sedan and Wagon and you add about 1500-2000 on the price for both. Incedentally, that's why they ditched the coupe. Alot of car companies are getting away from two door versions of sedan size cars (neon, sentra, grand prix just to name a few.) It just doesn't make business sense to make two cars, when one will sell almost as many.
ok....I'm done
The mustang and camaro both had 302 V-8s for the BOSS and Z-28. These were so that they could be the same as the race cars. After a couple of years, the 350, 427, and other engines came into play, because they made more power. So, were the later engines make the cars any less valid?
Yeah, so we don't get the rally engine....neither does Japan. Som much other work goes into the design of the rally engine that the displacement is more of a side-note than anything else. Personally I love the fact that they made a 2.5 turbo and borught it here before anywhere else (the STi and XT are the first for the new 2.5 turbo. It might get more usage worldwide later)
as for the wagon, I agree. But the reason there aren't as many variants on cars as there was back in the 50s and 60s is due to crash regs. Every new model must go through expensive testing to prove it meets the standard of EACH country. The more diverse a lineup, the harder to make money on a model. and the STi is already low-volume, try breaking it up into Sedan and Wagon and you add about 1500-2000 on the price for both. Incedentally, that's why they ditched the coupe. Alot of car companies are getting away from two door versions of sedan size cars (neon, sentra, grand prix just to name a few.) It just doesn't make business sense to make two cars, when one will sell almost as many.
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Valid points, Derbagley. A few things to add on: The JDM Legacy B4 has used a 2.5L Turbo for a few years now, and what really makes me curious is that Japan indeed has STi wagons.
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Originally posted by DoomE.Q.
Theres a UK model impreza that has had a 2.5 turbo too, but the name escapes me right now. We're not the first worldwide....
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Theres a UK model impreza that has had a 2.5 turbo too, but the name escapes me right now. We're not the first worldwide....
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I wish we will see STI Wagon here in US soon.
I don't understand this needless careful attittude from Subaru about "testing the water" for STI market in US.
Who is doing their marketing? Don't they know it was one of the most anticipated car? And the sale is going strong? They sold more WRX wagon here in US than they expected? What else do they need more?
I don't understand this needless careful attittude from Subaru about "testing the water" for STI market in US.
Who is doing their marketing? Don't they know it was one of the most anticipated car? And the sale is going strong? They sold more WRX wagon here in US than they expected? What else do they need more?
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Originally posted by minimay7
I wish we will see STI Wagon here in US soon.
I don't understand this needless careful attittude from Subaru about "testing the water" for STI market in US.
Who is doing their marketing? Don't they know it was one of the most anticipated car? And the sale is going strong? They sold more WRX wagon here in US than they expected? What else do they need more?
I wish we will see STI Wagon here in US soon.
I don't understand this needless careful attittude from Subaru about "testing the water" for STI market in US.
Who is doing their marketing? Don't they know it was one of the most anticipated car? And the sale is going strong? They sold more WRX wagon here in US than they expected? What else do they need more?
I would guess that japanese automakers are still trying to be careful to not find out how much is too much and drive prices and power to repeat the mistakes of the early 90's.
The hits taken by other automakers in the last power struggle have to be fresh on some marketing exec.'s mind otherwise somebody would get their way and just give us enthusiasts what we've wanted and screw everybody elses opinion or buying preference.
Plus i'm sure some ninny just thinks ultra high performance and wagon won't go over well with them american male 18-30 demographic
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