I-Speed USA presents Ion Vs FP dyno plots
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I-Speed USA presents Ion Vs FP dyno plots
We have had a fp turbo on one of our conversion cars for quite some time. After testing the heck out of it, we decided to try out another rebuilt stock wrx turbo.
Here are the stats of the car tested:
- 98 rs wrx conversion
- gutted up pipe
- 2.5" turboback, 3" muffler section
- Samco hoses
- AVCR set to 16psi
best 1/4 mile we got was 13.1 at 104mph
Here is the dyno plot
Here are the stats of the car tested:
- 98 rs wrx conversion
- gutted up pipe
- 2.5" turboback, 3" muffler section
- Samco hoses
- AVCR set to 16psi
best 1/4 mile we got was 13.1 at 104mph
Here is the dyno plot
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We kept everything the came in the car EXCEPT the turbo
Here is the ION stage 0 plot. Keep in mind that the turbo was on the car for a period of only 12 hours before this dyno run was completed. The stock ECU has not yet learned (adjusted ) for the new turbo.
Here is the ION stage 0 plot. Keep in mind that the turbo was on the car for a period of only 12 hours before this dyno run was completed. The stock ECU has not yet learned (adjusted ) for the new turbo.
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As you can see the ION plot is a lot smoother than the FP plot. Also note that the ION is putting more HP to the ground (this is only that the ECU has not really learned yet)
We did take the car to Infineon Speedway for some 1/4 testing four days after the dyno run. We only got 13.3... so far
Overall, the ION is a far better street turbo than the FP. The Ion spools up quicker and delivers more power in mid to low range.
We suspect that the 1/4 times and the dyno numbers will get better as the ECU learns more about the Turbo.
Back to the real life tests
Chris
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We did take the car to Infineon Speedway for some 1/4 testing four days after the dyno run. We only got 13.3... so far
Overall, the ION is a far better street turbo than the FP. The Ion spools up quicker and delivers more power in mid to low range.
We suspect that the 1/4 times and the dyno numbers will get better as the ECU learns more about the Turbo.
Back to the real life tests
Chris
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the FP let you guys run a 13.1 then the new turbo let you guys get a 13.3 w/ more power 
i do hope it does get better. anyways keep everyone updated
i do hope it does get better. anyways keep everyone updated
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The 1/4 times are relative to lots of other things besides the turbo. There is weather, R/T, 60ft, wind etc...
With the FP we had for 6months or so. That 13.1 was the best time we ever got during that time.
With the Ion, installed only for four days, the time we got , so far, was 13.3.
Remember the drag strip doesn't represent real life. It can tell you how good parts are. However, it really represents how good the driver is.
Chris
With the FP we had for 6months or so. That 13.1 was the best time we ever got during that time.
With the Ion, installed only for four days, the time we got , so far, was 13.3.
Remember the drag strip doesn't represent real life. It can tell you how good parts are. However, it really represents how good the driver is.
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Originally posted by christoph1371
The 1/4 times are relative to lots of other things besides the turbo. There is weather, R/T, 60ft, wind etc...
With the FP we had for 6months or so. That 13.1 was the best time we ever got during that time.
With the Ion, installed only for four days, the time we got , so far, was 13.3.
Remember the drag strip doesn't represent real life. It can tell you how good parts are. However, it really represents how good the driver is.
Chris
The 1/4 times are relative to lots of other things besides the turbo. There is weather, R/T, 60ft, wind etc...
With the FP we had for 6months or so. That 13.1 was the best time we ever got during that time.
With the Ion, installed only for four days, the time we got , so far, was 13.3.
Remember the drag strip doesn't represent real life. It can tell you how good parts are. However, it really represents how good the driver is.
Chris
Well said.
So you do you have ECUTEK maps yet for the iON? Kinda similar to a vishnu stage 2 but using an iON turbo instead?
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Originally posted by christoph1371
....Remember the drag strip doesn't represent real life. It can tell you how good parts are. However, it really represents how good the driver is.
Chris
....Remember the drag strip doesn't represent real life. It can tell you how good parts are. However, it really represents how good the driver is.
Chris
The ION turbo sounds like a really sweet turbo for daily-driven cars. I hope it works out for you guys!
Btw, I'm not a technical-whiz, but while driver ability serves a primary role in getting good 1/4 mile times (ET's), aren't trap speeds good indicators of the performance potential & effectiveness of a car's set-up? As long as a driver doesn't bog like crazy off the line or light up the tires halfway down the track, a semi-clean run will net just about the same trap speed as a "perfect" run, right?
What were Adam's traps w/the new, ION turbo? Any higher than the 13.1 @ 104mph run w/the FP turbo?
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There is another modded TD04 floating around right now that I'm fairly sure will outperform both the ion and FP turbos. It is being offered by amelnikov and consists of a 16G cold side, 360 degree trust bearing, larger exhaust wheel in a bored out housing, and a 12 month / 12000 mile warrantee. This turbo flows 505 cfm at 1 bar while the VF30/34 only flows 430. Also, this turbo makes 16 PSI by 2650 RPM so it spools several hundred RPM faster than the VF30 as well.
So Chris it looks like you guys are going to have to buy one and test it out.
I would do it if I had the money, but alas I am not rich. Yet. Oh and will someone post the flow numbers for the FP and ion turbos and possibly when they reach 16 PSI so that we can see what the spool RPMs look like between these turbo. That way we can have an objective look at how these babies stack up. Screw IHI, this turbo in particular looks like it beats the crap out of the IHIs. Plus I would rather walk down the unbeaten path than use some other turbo that everyone and their mother has and already know where my ceiling is. I make my own ceilings.
So Chris it looks like you guys are going to have to buy one and test it out.
I would do it if I had the money, but alas I am not rich. Yet. Oh and will someone post the flow numbers for the FP and ion turbos and possibly when they reach 16 PSI so that we can see what the spool RPMs look like between these turbo. That way we can have an objective look at how these babies stack up. Screw IHI, this turbo in particular looks like it beats the crap out of the IHIs. Plus I would rather walk down the unbeaten path than use some other turbo that everyone and their mother has and already know where my ceiling is. I make my own ceilings.
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which does everyone recommand.. goin with a JDM ej, us ej or a RS turbo... i for one think one of the ej's would be better but the more and more i read about RS turbos and the more people tell me about them i lean more and more toward it. but i am still concered about the tranny and engine failure at higher HP and longer use// over a period of time.
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Originally posted by 240sxer
which does everyone recommand.. goin with a JDM ej, us ej or a RS turbo... i for one think one of the ej's would be better but the more and more i read about RS turbos and the more people tell me about them i lean more and more toward it. but i am still concered about the tranny and engine failure at higher HP and longer use// over a period of time.
which does everyone recommand.. goin with a JDM ej, us ej or a RS turbo... i for one think one of the ej's would be better but the more and more i read about RS turbos and the more people tell me about them i lean more and more toward it. but i am still concered about the tranny and engine failure at higher HP and longer use// over a period of time.
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To dispel some myths... The USDM EJ20 can handle 300whp all day long if you take care of it. The biggest problem that leads to failure is heat build up. Grab a Zerosports thermostat, keep at least 50% water in your coolant, etc and you'll be fine. There is currently a WRX in testing at one of the major products companies that has been putting down 400+ reliably. All said, the block can handle more than what the majority of us will ever throw at it. Assuming you're not an idiot that tries to force 18 PSI at the stock turbo or 30 PSI on a larger one without injectors or engine management.
I'd like to see a TD04 that outperforms a VF30.. I'm a bit skeptical until I see some numbers though.
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I'd like to see a TD04 that outperforms a VF30.. I'm a bit skeptical until I see some numbers though.
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True. The USDM EJ20 can handle loads of power. The problem has been with people abusing the trannies, improper component combinations and poor to little ECM.
There is, in the works, another TD04 aimed directly to compete with the VF30. We will see what happens
Chris
There is, in the works, another TD04 aimed directly to compete with the VF30. We will see what happens
Chris
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Originally posted by christoph1371
True. The USDM EJ20 can handle loads of power. The problem has been with people abusing the trannies, improper component combinations and poor to little ECM.
There is, in the works, another TD04 aimed directly to compete with the VF30. We will see what happens
Chris
True. The USDM EJ20 can handle loads of power. The problem has been with people abusing the trannies, improper component combinations and poor to little ECM.
There is, in the works, another TD04 aimed directly to compete with the VF30. We will see what happens
Chris
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I thought I posted some specs of the turbo, but I'll just post the email I got from Alex Melnikov.
Hi. A while back you expressed interest in the group purchace I was organizing for a stock turbo upgrade. This was for a 16G cold side, 360 degree trust bearing and larger exhaust wheel in bored out housing (not a measly clip that hurts more then helps).
All this with 12 months/ 12 mile warranty. Just for reference this turbo spools several hundered rpm sooner then VF30 and VF34 (16 psi by 2650 rpm) and flows more ( VF30/34 430 cfm at 1 bar, this turbo 505 cfm at 1 bar). I am finally ready to set the wheels in motion and just wanted to make sure that I contact everybody that was interested. The final price is $750 with your turbo shipped to modify or a brand new modified turbo for $1170.
Please let me know if you would like to participate.
My email is alex@alexmelnikov.com
I really think this turbo sounds great on paper. Alex has already posted some dyno plots of some preliminary runs that iirc do not include EMC or injectors or fuel pupm. It was on one of the dynos that gives high numbers, mustang or dynapack, but the numbers and plots still looked very promising. I'll see if I can find the link to the dyno plots.
Hi. A while back you expressed interest in the group purchace I was organizing for a stock turbo upgrade. This was for a 16G cold side, 360 degree trust bearing and larger exhaust wheel in bored out housing (not a measly clip that hurts more then helps).
All this with 12 months/ 12 mile warranty. Just for reference this turbo spools several hundered rpm sooner then VF30 and VF34 (16 psi by 2650 rpm) and flows more ( VF30/34 430 cfm at 1 bar, this turbo 505 cfm at 1 bar). I am finally ready to set the wheels in motion and just wanted to make sure that I contact everybody that was interested. The final price is $750 with your turbo shipped to modify or a brand new modified turbo for $1170.
Please let me know if you would like to participate.
My email is alex@alexmelnikov.com
I really think this turbo sounds great on paper. Alex has already posted some dyno plots of some preliminary runs that iirc do not include EMC or injectors or fuel pupm. It was on one of the dynos that gives high numbers, mustang or dynapack, but the numbers and plots still looked very promising. I'll see if I can find the link to the dyno plots.