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Warranty
Car manufacturers always look for a way to void warranties, because that increases profits, some are a little easier than others, but they know they can't make money garunteeing the car if its been modified. Does turning in a car that been modified and getting to cover under warranty affect us, yes it does. It causes the price of the warranty to increase. MY warranty for 100,000 miles cost me 2,000 dollars. You best believe my car breaks down I'm puttig it back to stock. Of course its very unlikely the very few amount of mods I have will every hurt the car. Mine is practically stock. Think of the amount of profit they make even if they had to replace my entire block. To the consumer price is expensive, not the manufacturer. And they calculate the probable amount of warranties and what likely will be the claim.
Also, an inside source has told me the dealer has recieved a list of parts that if on your car will IMMEDIATELY void the warranty. The list names aftermarket manufacturers and just about every possible modification. So make sure before you put anything on your car, your research possible effects and do an all inclusive research to what else you might need to do to the car. Avoiding half assed jobs will help you avoid trying to use your warranty.
Also, an inside source has told me the dealer has recieved a list of parts that if on your car will IMMEDIATELY void the warranty. The list names aftermarket manufacturers and just about every possible modification. So make sure before you put anything on your car, your research possible effects and do an all inclusive research to what else you might need to do to the car. Avoiding half assed jobs will help you avoid trying to use your warranty.
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I hear where you're coming from...
I don't have any mods except cosmetic ones -- wheels, interior, taillights -- but if I had a problem, you bet I'd put my stock tail-lights back in. I wouldn't want the dealer to have ANY reason to think I might have caused the problem. I'd do the same if I had a CAE, an exhaust, or even a standard tuned Unichip -- all those things operate WELL within the normal parameters of the car, and a failure would NOT be caused by those mods alone -- although the dealer WOULD try to avoid paying! But the case you or I have described is NOT what WRXs2fast4U did (his post is above). He DESTROYED his car out of sheer stupidity - ran continuously at 18 pounds of boost, screwed around with fuel mixture, etc., all without any kind of engine management - and then somehow conned a dealership into paying for it. Being a fool and making others pay for your mistakes is just wrong...
then someone emialed the thread to all his local dealers and now it looks like he might be denied. Thanks guys for looking out for us more responsible people who have legitimate problems.-James
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Re: I hear where you're coming from...
Originally posted by statman
I don't have any mods except cosmetic ones -- wheels, interior, taillights -- but if I had a problem, you bet I'd put my stock tail-lights back in. I wouldn't want the dealer to have ANY reason to think I might have caused the problem. I'd do the same if I had a CAE, an exhaust, or even a standard tuned Unichip -- all those things operate WELL within the normal parameters of the car, and a failure would NOT be caused by those mods alone -- although the dealer WOULD try to avoid paying! But the case you or I have described is NOT what WRXs2fast4U did (his post is above). He DESTROYED his car out of sheer stupidity - ran continuously at 18 pounds of boost, screwed around with fuel mixture, etc., all without any kind of engine management - and then somehow conned a dealership into paying for it. Being a fool and making others pay for your mistakes is just wrong...
I don't have any mods except cosmetic ones -- wheels, interior, taillights -- but if I had a problem, you bet I'd put my stock tail-lights back in. I wouldn't want the dealer to have ANY reason to think I might have caused the problem. I'd do the same if I had a CAE, an exhaust, or even a standard tuned Unichip -- all those things operate WELL within the normal parameters of the car, and a failure would NOT be caused by those mods alone -- although the dealer WOULD try to avoid paying! But the case you or I have described is NOT what WRXs2fast4U did (his post is above). He DESTROYED his car out of sheer stupidity - ran continuously at 18 pounds of boost, screwed around with fuel mixture, etc., all without any kind of engine management - and then somehow conned a dealership into paying for it. Being a fool and making others pay for your mistakes is just wrong...
Everyone thinks they are " Honest " the fact that your swaping parts is to decieve. Plain and simple. The fact that someone raggs out a stock car and trys to have it fixed under warranty is not
" HONEST " !!!!
It makes me sick when people that mod cars or even drives them hard say Oh I'm honest I shouldn't let a stupid kid ruin my chances of fixing my DISHONEST break down.
I've gone thru 4 motors and 3 tranny's I have a shop I see how people don't take care of cares but everyone thinks only modded people take advantage. My dad worked for dealers for years and I heard all the stories. Everyone trys to get away with something.
And yea the dealer does rips you off too. FYI
Your right Statman the dealer does look for any reason because of all of us Honest people. Everyone should look in mirror because we've all benefited in some way from warranties.
I just had to register put my .02's in.
I blame that kid for bragg'n about what he did so he got what he asked for.
But Statman what you did was not cool either you posted about telling on him. In most places that's just asking for trouble. Many people get jacked for less than that. If you were so worried and had to say something you shouldn't have posted about what you did.
Oh I think Scoobies are cool but like any car, they all break.
Laters
Last edited by UncleMax; Mar 24, 2003 at 10:06 PM.
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Actually because of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act a dealer can't legally void your warranty without proving that the parts you added to your vehicle caused the malfunction. So unless they spend the time and money to test the part and look into the actual cause of damage they have to cover it.
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what i think that if you mod your car, you have to remove all of your parts if you visit the dealer. I heard they can void fixing a window opener under warranty, if you have coilovers for example, on your car. That is ridiculous. The dealer is the one being dishonest.
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Statman...you seem like a good guy, but you must see the hypocrisy in your post for this thread. If you had a problem with your car, and knew that your mods didn't cause that problem, I would hope you would fight the good fight as opposed to trying to pretend that your car had no mods. Your right in saying that it's not the same as what moron boy did, but it is similar, and it is trying to avoid possible warranty claim denials (as insane as they would be in your case) by lying.
I would hope that if you ever do have a problem, that you would take your car in, as is, and give the dealer a chance to be decent...you may be surprised...the dealer may be as fair and honest as you are. If not, then you will have the law on your side, most i-clubbers, and at the very least you will know that you did the right thing. And that still means something.
-John
PS. Sorry for resurrecting a dead thread.
I would hope that if you ever do have a problem, that you would take your car in, as is, and give the dealer a chance to be decent...you may be surprised...the dealer may be as fair and honest as you are. If not, then you will have the law on your side, most i-clubbers, and at the very least you will know that you did the right thing. And that still means something.
-John
PS. Sorry for resurrecting a dead thread.
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when I had warranty problems I did a web search and printed out the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act. It's a car tuners ally, and if need be take them to small claims court. I am a small claims court advisor, so feel free to PM if you have any questions or problems
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I know that if I have transimission problems it will be because I have doubled the stock HP. How can I aurgue otherwise. Now those that have stock or minor mods have a gripe. Even if they drove the crap out of the car (just like they do on the Subaru commercials) the car should be able to hold up to the abuse. The car is marketed as such. I drove the living crap out of my VR6 Corrado for 9 years, including three years in Italy at insane speeds and launched it hard from the day it was new til the day I sold it and it still had the original clutch. What does all this mean, well I think Subaru should have at least engineered the tranny to take what ever abuse could be dished out in the stock configuration, but I don't think they should have to pay if the car has 100+ more hp than it was engineered for.
Just my 4 cents
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