I don't think there is anything more to be said in this thread. Everyone has stated their interpretation of the facts and this conversation is going downhill quickly. Anyone else who reads this can draw their own conclusions. Good night, please play nice.

Keegan, I'd like you to step back and examine events as they unfolded in hindsight and consider a few questions I have.

First, prior to going to the Road Dyno gala event sponsored by EQ Tuning, had you ever, even once, suspected there was anything wrong with your car? Did you ever feel as if it was pulling timing? If so, why did you not contact Nate about it prior to discussing it with Ed? Looking at the logs Ed is so kindly hosting for you, I see no indication that you experienced any knock during your road dyno datalogging runs. Now, there IS a drop in absolute ignition advance on both, right at 3700 RPM. I presume this is what Ed interpreted as knock, except that the IAM was at 16 and knock signal zero on both runs. You did NOT have any detonation with Ed in the car, unless he for some reason chose not to host those files. Doubtful.

So Ed, being the good samaritan he is, went and looked at the fine learning, and lo and behold, did not like what he saw. However, for those of us that know how to draw and read 2D graphs, you'll note that the cells Ed took issue with, the ones with the negative numbers, are not active on either of road dyno graphs. They are at moderate load levels, which the car was out of well before the supposed knock incident took place.

Keegan, I want you to understand something here- if your IAM is at 16, you have not experienced knock. Period. No matter what you think you hear. While Ed can debate tuning philosophy with Nate all day long and neither one prove themselves absolutely right or the other absolutely wrong, there was no basis in those 2 datalogs for Ed to tell you that your car was tuned unsafely.

As for claiming that the car was low on power, using road dyno graphs as evidence... well, that's just asinine. For one thing, Nate's Mustang dyno reads lower than any other dyno within 2000 miles of here. Period. Gruppe-S reads higher, Cobb reads higher, Vishnu reads higher, everyone. So saying that Nate left the car 10 whp short shows more about Ed than it does Nate. But here's the best part- even if it WAS short on power, a DeltaDash road dyno is not even close to conclusive, concrete evidence of such. Please allow me to demonstrate, using my own copy of DeltaDash and my humble 2.5RS.

Mike, I'm opening it back up, because Ed and Keegan need to be allowed to respond to this thread. Closing the thread doesn't resolve anything either.

Ed, you are undermining your own credibility by claiming that hosting the event and providing free services to people who obviously spend money modifying their cars had absolutely nothing to do with your own tuning business. You've obviously turned at least one customer against their tuner, and how many others plan to, or already have, had you tune their cars? Please act like a professional and conduct yourself as well as the rest of the professional tuners in the area do.

:grabs bowl of popcorn:

I forgot.....i said i would go away.
This thread gettin to interestin

roflmao, MARKSTI quit it my stomach hurts from laughing

My circular arguements? Show me where I was wrong please.
Um, Ok
How have they been owned? I think the fact that you registerd a new screen name to show up to the party and make a limp dick slam on me proves that you are swinging from the shorties not me. Any of you mods willing to run an ip check on this tool and let us know who he really is?

jimbotko, your arguments would carry much more merit if you weren't posting them anonymously.