So Soggy got a H2
Originally Posted by N600
actually...the rule goes;
A goes before anything starying with a consenent..."a bus, a train, etc..."
AN goes before anything starting with a vowel..."an airplane, an apple, an egg"...and so on.
so i believe yer wrong there trigger.
unless someone changed H to a vowel without notifying me...
A goes before anything starying with a consenent..."a bus, a train, etc..."
AN goes before anything starting with a vowel..."an airplane, an apple, an egg"...and so on.
so i believe yer wrong there trigger.
unless someone changed H to a vowel without notifying me...
Originally Posted by soggynoodles
Someone bust out the grammar links please.
even on grammar rule sites you get a list of 30,000 100% matches...
i've tried:
"usage of a or an"
"grammar rule a an"
"rule a an usage"
etc...
nuffin but nonsence.
they're too commonly used...
i'll try to look it up the old fasioned way in my reference book...The Chicago Manual of Style - 15th Edition.
Originally Posted by hey1
Right, H is not a vowel. But unless you pronounce the H2 as Hummer2, then I will use the 'a' rather than 'an'. But suppose you ask for one of the letters in the alphabet. In your definition, would you ask for a 'U'? or an 'U'? a 'H'? or an 'H'?
Such as the Boost Mobile Slogan, "Where you at?"
That's THE WORST grammar ever. If you're going to ask someone where they are you ask "Where are you?" I can't believe that such a well known company would 1) allow this terrible grammar and 2) PROMOTE this horrible grammar to a demographic that is ALREADY looked down upon for their terrible grammar, or lack-there-of.
okay, okay....
i found it in the Chicago ref book...
i had to retype this...i'm also typing up the ref 5.73 as well...
but here it goes:
i found it in the Chicago ref book...
i had to retype this...i'm also typing up the ref 5.73 as well...
but here it goes:
Page 289
A and An,
Ref 7.46:
“A” and “an.” The indefinite article a, not an, is used in American English before words beginning with a pronounced h. See also 5.73.
a hotel
a historical study
but
an honor
an heir
Before an abbreviation, a numeral, or a symbol, the use of a or an depends on how the term is pronounced. In the first example below, MS would be pronounced e mess; in the second, it would be pronounced manuscript.
an MS treatment (a treatment for multiple sclerosis)
a MS in the National Library
an NBC anchor
a CBS anchor
a URL
an @ sign
an 800 number
A and An,
Ref 7.46:
“A” and “an.” The indefinite article a, not an, is used in American English before words beginning with a pronounced h. See also 5.73.
a hotel
a historical study
but
an honor
an heir
Before an abbreviation, a numeral, or a symbol, the use of a or an depends on how the term is pronounced. In the first example below, MS would be pronounced e mess; in the second, it would be pronounced manuscript.
an MS treatment (a treatment for multiple sclerosis)
a MS in the National Library
an NBC anchor
a CBS anchor
a URL
an @ sign
an 800 number
here's teh ref 5.73...i'm not typing the rest of the noted ref...
you guys make the decision i'm spent on this subject.
i also realize i take for granted copy+paste way too much.
Page 166
Ref 5.73:
Choosing “a” or “an.” With the indefinite artile, the choice of a or an depends on the sound of the word it precedes. A comes before words with a consonant sound, including /y/, /h/ and /w/, no matter how the word is spelled {a eulogy} {a hotel suite} {a Ouachita tribe member}. An comes before words with a vowel sound {an LSAT exam room} {an X-Files episode} {an hour ago}. See also 5.202, 7.46, 15.9
Ref 5.73:
Choosing “a” or “an.” With the indefinite artile, the choice of a or an depends on the sound of the word it precedes. A comes before words with a consonant sound, including /y/, /h/ and /w/, no matter how the word is spelled {a eulogy} {a hotel suite} {a Ouachita tribe member}. An comes before words with a vowel sound {an LSAT exam room} {an X-Files episode} {an hour ago}. See also 5.202, 7.46, 15.9
you guys make the decision i'm spent on this subject.
i also realize i take for granted copy+paste way too much.
If you say ætch-two, then you would use an an. Or you could use an a both ways can be considered proper.
Despite what your english teachers tell you, there are multiple standards for what to do with pronouncing letters preceded by a and an. Some say spell it out phonetically, and if it starts with a vowel, use an, like "That straight if followed by an s-curve". Others would say not.
Despite what your english teachers tell you, there are multiple standards for what to do with pronouncing letters preceded by a and an. Some say spell it out phonetically, and if it starts with a vowel, use an, like "That straight if followed by an s-curve". Others would say not.
Originally Posted by nKoan
If you say ætch-two, then you would use an an. Or you could use an a both ways can be considered proper.
Despite what your english teachers tell you, there are multiple standards for what to do with pronouncing letters preceded by a and an. Some say spell it out phonetically, and if it starts with a vowel, use an, like "That straight if followed by an s-curve". Others would say not.
Despite what your english teachers tell you, there are multiple standards for what to do with pronouncing letters preceded by a and an. Some say spell it out phonetically, and if it starts with a vowel, use an, like "That straight if followed by an s-curve". Others would say not.
this is the same reference that most major publishing houses use...including Primedia.
Originally Posted by N600
well, the book i referenced the modern standard for publishing, editors and writers. this is the book our editor uses for her reference for all our publications.
this is the same reference that most major publishing houses use...including Primedia.
this is the same reference that most major publishing houses use...including Primedia.
Originally Posted by nKoan
Chicago Ref I take it? Yeah, maybe its 'more right' then others, since more journalism uses it. But, the only advantage of Chicago is that it is very neutral to dialects and spelling differences in the US. Its not necessiarly more 'right' or 'wrong' then any other standard. Besides, they spell the name of their team with an 'x' at the end instead of 'cks'
it stays fairly current as much as you can on a national level for currently commonly accepted grammar.
but like you said, it's not written in stone...it's constantly evolving.
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Originally Posted by hey1
An H2, not a H2. Grammar police failed his grammar this time.
thanks for playing
Originally Posted by N600
actually...the rule goes;
A goes before anything starying with a consenent..."a bus, a train, etc..."
AN goes before anything starting with a vowel..."an airplane, an apple, an egg"...and so on.
so i believe yer wrong there trigger.
unless someone changed H to a vowel without notifying me...
A goes before anything starying with a consenent..."a bus, a train, etc..."
AN goes before anything starting with a vowel..."an airplane, an apple, an egg"...and so on.
so i believe yer wrong there trigger.
unless someone changed H to a vowel without notifying me...
Originally Posted by soggnybiscuits
putasooooo!
Originally Posted by BLITZSTI
^^^ haha nice try asshat. and FYI its GRAMMAR **** as I am the only one. Your FOB status has been reactivated.
thanks for playing
thanks for playing
Last edited by hey1; Oct 27, 2005 at 10:20 AM.