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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 08:29 AM
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Racing Fuel On Stock Turbo

I'm just wondering if is it safe to use racing fuel on my 02 catless wrx? I want to know also if will improve my quarter mile time by using racing fuel?

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be careful with using high octane race fuels.
if you try to do it on a stock ECU and expect the ECU to "learn" the new fuel mixtures in less than a tank, it won't.
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if your programmable ECU is not tuned for it (specifically for the fuel octane you're using) then in BOTH instances you can run the risk of burning a piston or valve.

all the timing and fuel mixture has to be designed for the race fuel.

higher octane race fuels burn faster. if you're system is not built or designed for the fuel it will only be a waste of your cash and potentially damage the car.

you can prolly safely run the 76 high octane pump gas (99? octane), but you won't likely get the full benifit unless you run ONE FULL tank thru your system before you go out, so your ECU can "learn" the fuel mixtures for the higher grade fuel.

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Originally Posted by pozzi
be careful with using high octane race fuels.
if you try to do it on a stock ECU and expect the ECU to "learn" the new fuel mixtures in less than a tank, it won't.
or
if your programmable ECU is not tuned for it (specifically for the fuel octane you're using) then in BOTH instances you can run the risk of burning a piston or valve.

all the timing and fuel mixture has to be designed for the race fuel.

higher octane race fuels burn faster. if you're system is not built or designed for the fuel it will only be a waste of your cash and potentially damage the car.

you can prolly safely run the 76 high octane pump gas (99? octane), but you won't likely get the full benifit unless you run ONE FULL tank thru your system before you go out, so your ECU can "learn" the fuel mixtures for the higher grade fuel.
That's actually not quite right. High octane fuel actually burns slower and cooler which allows the tuner to lean out the mixture and add timing and boost without inducing knock. You will not damage anything by running a higher octane fuel on a tune that was done on lower octane. While you may not get the full potential of running high octane, in situations like drag racing where the car is staged between runs, high octane is generally recommended even with a pump gas tune. The simple reasoning here is that your TMIC will get extremely heatsoaked before the run and on pump gas the engine will almost certainly knock during the run and pull timing. If you run higher octane you add a level of protection and allow the ECU to run its full ignition advance making for consistant, strong runs. I would suggest running a mixture of half 91 pump and half 100 octane in any sort of track situation even if the ecu was tuned on pure pump gas. I also suggest resetting the ECU after filling up with the higher octane gas and doing a couple hard pulls right after the reset to allow the ECU to more quickly learn and push the maximum advance it was programmed for.

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That's actually not quite right. High octane fuel actually burns slower and cooler which allows the tuner to lean out the mixture and add timing and boost without inducing knock. You will not damage anything by running a higher octane fuel on a tune that was done on lower octane. While you may not get the full potential of running high octane, in situations like drag racing where the car is staged between runs, high octane is generally recommended even with a pump gas tune. The simple reasoning here is that your TMIC will get extremely heatsoaked before the run and on pump gas the engine will almost certainly knock during the run and pull timing. If you run higher octane you add a level of protection and allow the ECU to run its full ignition advance making for consistant, strong runs. I would suggest running a mixture of half 91 pump and half 100 octane in any sort of track situation even if the ecu was tuned on pure pump gas. I also suggest resetting the ECU after filling up with the higher octane gas and doing a couple hard pulls right after the reset to allow the ECU to more quickly learn and push the maximum advance it was programmed for.

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Dumb question.... does the same recommendation apply to those of us running a high flow CATTED downpipe or do we run the risk of damaging the cat? I had always heard that was the case.
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Originally Posted by iceman302
Dumb question.... does the same recommendation apply to those of us running a high flow CATTED downpipe or do we run the risk of damaging the cat? I had always heard that was the case.
The only time you run the risk of damaging a cat or an O2 sensor is if you run leaded gas. Most 100 octane out there is unleaded, so there's nothing to worry about. Just make sure its unleaded and you'll be fine.

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The only time you run the risk of damaging a cat or an O2 sensor is if you run leaded gas. Most 100 octane out there is unleaded, so there's nothing to worry about. Just make sure its unleaded and you'll be fine.

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Thanks for the reply, Ed... defintely good to know for the future. BTW...sent you a PM regarding next Wednesday. Looks like we're all set for dropping the car off in the AM.
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My buddy was running 104 or 110(unleaded) daily on his STi for quite a few months and burnt out his high flow cat, could have been a faulty cat though.
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Originally Posted by subie OCD
My buddy was running 104 or 110(unleaded) daily on his STi for quite a few months and burnt out his high flow cat, could have been a faulty cat though.
AFAIK most 110 octane is leaded. Not sure where your friend found unleaded 110.
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so it's safe to use race fuel right?
Old Mar 5, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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so it's safe to use race fuel right?
It would be even better if you were to sell your subaru and go back to your ankle grabbing *** vandal hondatard roots.
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It would be even better if you were to sell your subaru and go back to your ankle grabbing *** vandal hondatard roots.
Why don't you have sex with your sister,grandma and you dad you dirty ****
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It would be even better if you were to sell your subaru and go back to your ankle grabbing *** vandal hondatard roots.
lose some wieght or something you dirty pig.LOL LOL



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