Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious

my whole problem with it is that the term "Marriage" has religious connotations. Anyone that is not married in a church or by a religious figure, should be a Civil Union.

seperation of church and state.

the No On 8 people are going about this all wrong, they just need to ask for civil unions to have the same legal rights as a marriage in the state.

Originally Posted by Kevin

IMO, if marriage is the religious institution and pact with god that the right keeps insisting it is, then the state (the whole country) should immediately stop recognizing marriages. it's a simple church and state issue, and the state has absolutely no business certifying religious pacts and offering special benefits to those who join into those religious pacts.

"marriage" should be decided 100% by the church. then churches can decide whether they want to allow gay marriages or not.

the government should then convert all state recognition of "marriage" (and the rights and benefits afforded) to "civil unions" -- so a straight couple married in a church is simply recognized by the government as a civil union. gay couples should then be given the exact same rights.

remove government from the "marriage" business -- it has no right, either way, to recognize marriages as "marriages," only to recognize the civil union of a couple of any gender.

right? right.

Originally Posted by GT35 STI

If that's the case then 'Marriage' should not be recognized at a state level. All the government benefits to marriage should be considered Civil Unions, not marriage. Government should be completely removed from marriages if it's a religious thing

Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious

exactly!

if you get married in a church, that's fine!

after, you need to apply to the state for a civil union, since a marriage is only recognized by your church and not the state.

Originally Posted by soggynoodles

WebEx file Transfer software suuucccckkkssss

:I

sorry
fix it TRON or Uncle Tickles!!1

Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious

its the end users bandwidth that makes it suck. If you are trying to transfer from someone on 56k, your SOL.

Originally Posted by soggynoodles

It's not the speed but the vagueness of the percent complete. The status would disappear on me.

Originally Posted by GT35 STI

Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious

this plus the Prop 8 stuff


yeah.. Im 99.9% sure you love **** now

lol

Originally Posted by GT35 STI

it was part of one of the halloween costumes I wore. I was the cat in the hat, so I needed whiskers! I got laid that night, by a girl... so I guess that makes me gay