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Hi all. Wasn't sure if this was posted before or not. I was wondering if you could drift an AWD such as a WRX and damage the center diff somehow.
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there has been some discussion on damaging center diffs here, but not much. some people contend that using the e-brake can damage the center diff on a WRX (the STi six speed with DCCD will disconnect it) by overheating and 'burning up' the viscous coupling fluid.
however, if you're doing it without the ebrake, it's no differant than getting the car sideways on the power. i haven't heard about any diffs going south, the 5-speed tranny tends to go first.
however, if you're doing it without the ebrake, it's no differant than getting the car sideways on the power. i haven't heard about any diffs going south, the 5-speed tranny tends to go first.
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if you use the e-brake to drift, its not drifting. drifting a car is induced by weight transfer, like slamming hard on the brakes to transfer weight to the front so the rear wheels will not grip as well, allowing the car to slide or drift. and when this is coupled with a slight understeer, a 4 wheel drift can be accomplished
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senor. thats somewhat right, but not. what youre actually doing when you drift is turn the wheel slightly in the direction of the turn and punch on the breaks but make sure the wheels dont lock up and . and the weight transfer from breaking is to keep your front wheels in traction while the car is sliding. turn the front wheels so that its on track and keep the throttle leveled and you will be riding a nice drift. at the end of the turn just accelerate and bam, theres your four wheel drift. and if youre getting too close to the inside of the turn, throttle a bit more to drift away from the edge. and for the opposite, just apply a little breaking to bring more weight to the front to add a bit more traction so your car can be brought in more.
there ya go. dont take my word for it though. real knowledge comes not from what one can tell you, but from first hand experience alone.
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there ya go. dont take my word for it though. real knowledge comes not from what one can tell you, but from first hand experience alone.
-Andrew
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you can use the e-break to drift but there are a couple things that are bad about it. since you cant control the break, it makes the drift a bit unpredictable and probably only good on small turns. and second, what this thread is actually about, if you care about your dif, dont do it.
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Originally posted by senortighto
if you use the e-brake to drift, its not drifting. drifting a car is induced by weight transfer, like slamming hard on the brakes to transfer weight to the front so the rear wheels will not grip as well, allowing the car to slide or drift. and when this is coupled with a slight understeer, a 4 wheel drift can be accomplished
if you use the e-brake to drift, its not drifting. drifting a car is induced by weight transfer, like slamming hard on the brakes to transfer weight to the front so the rear wheels will not grip as well, allowing the car to slide or drift. and when this is coupled with a slight understeer, a 4 wheel drift can be accomplished
Originally posted by Gripthetrack
senor. thats somewhat right, but not. what youre actually doing when you drift is turn the wheel slightly in the direction of the turn and punch on the breaks but make sure the wheels dont lock up and . and the weight transfer from breaking is to keep your front wheels in traction while the car is sliding. turn the front wheels so that its on track and keep the throttle leveled and you will be riding a nice drift. at the end of the turn just accelerate and bam, theres your four wheel drift. and if youre getting too close to the inside of the turn, throttle a bit more to drift away from the edge. and for the opposite, just apply a little breaking to bring more weight to the front to add a bit more traction so your car can be brought in more.
there ya go. dont take my word for it though. real knowledge comes not from what one can tell you, but from first hand experience alone.
-Andrew
senor. thats somewhat right, but not. what youre actually doing when you drift is turn the wheel slightly in the direction of the turn and punch on the breaks but make sure the wheels dont lock up and . and the weight transfer from breaking is to keep your front wheels in traction while the car is sliding. turn the front wheels so that its on track and keep the throttle leveled and you will be riding a nice drift. at the end of the turn just accelerate and bam, theres your four wheel drift. and if youre getting too close to the inside of the turn, throttle a bit more to drift away from the edge. and for the opposite, just apply a little breaking to bring more weight to the front to add a bit more traction so your car can be brought in more.
there ya go. dont take my word for it though. real knowledge comes not from what one can tell you, but from first hand experience alone.
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no. hes saying that the weight transfer is to make the back of the car slide. thats true, but an important reason you transfer the weight to the front is to keep the front wheels in traction with the road, therefore maintaining a controlled drift.
like he said himself, if you just pull the e-break youre not really drifting, youre sliding. but same goes for when you just break to lose traction.
like he said himself, if you just pull the e-break youre not really drifting, youre sliding. but same goes for when you just break to lose traction.
If you say that using the e-brake to initialize a drift is not drifting, then you don't know what you're talking about. I've been doing this for years now, only a year with my WRX but 2+ with FR cars and e-brake is a BIG part of drifting. The pros use it so bring that up with them.
AWD drifting IS possible but I would recommend going with an aftermarket canter diff such as KAAZ or Cusco and adjusting the torque split to 30f/70r... the viscous fluid in the center diffs wears down with time, heat, and abuse so it is best for the long run to go with an aftermarket center diff with the right preload.
BTW I have a sick video of Rhys Millen doing AWD drifts in his rally prepped EVO VII...just plain sick
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BTW I have a sick video of Rhys Millen doing AWD drifts in his rally prepped EVO VII...just plain sick
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Originally posted by InfamousDX
If you say that using the e-brake to initialize a drift is not drifting, then you don't know what you're talking about. I've been doing this for years now, only a year with my WRX but 2+ with FR cars and e-brake is a BIG part of drifting. The pros use it so bring that up with them.
If you say that using the e-brake to initialize a drift is not drifting, then you don't know what you're talking about. I've been doing this for years now, only a year with my WRX but 2+ with FR cars and e-brake is a BIG part of drifting. The pros use it so bring that up with them.
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The best method for drifting AWD however is the feint drift, a.k.a scandanavian flick, a.k.a sway drift. Anyway basically you turn away from the turn and then flick the car back in sharply and use the inertia, oh yeah a.k.a. intertia drift, to bring the rear end out. I'm sure most of you have seen this video shows the best example of AWD drifting I've ever seen. It's an inertia drift by the JUN evo. It is almost flawless, screw almost, it is flawless. As you can see from the in-car video it involves a little (read: buttload) juggling of the wheel (not like a RWD drift) and of course balancing the throttle properly. Of course 500hp helps a lot too! 
Oh yeah, he won the drift competition...
http://www.rennfotos.de/videos/junevo1.mpg
http://www.rennfotos.de/videos/junevo2.mpg
http://www.rennfotos.de/videos/junevo3.mpeg
Oh yeah, he won the drift competition...http://www.rennfotos.de/videos/junevo1.mpg
http://www.rennfotos.de/videos/junevo2.mpg
http://www.rennfotos.de/videos/junevo3.mpeg
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Kman is right, the feint/scandinavian flick/rally flick technique is the best way of getting an AWD sideways -- espescially on loose surfaces. doing it on pavement is pretty damn hard unless you've got bald tires or are going quite fast. it takes quite a bit of weight transfer to overcome the tire's grip on dry pavement.