running from the POLICE
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running from the POLICE
Just something to pass along, you know how sometimes when you're driving agressive or just late to work? ( lets not try to act like were all saints out there) well say you're flying and you fly past a undercover cop, but not traffic cop, instead its a detective. Now most detectives have no interest in pulling over a car speeding,...withing reason, but chances are he'll follow you as though is he is doing what?....racing a little, just barely keeping up as to not make you REALLY fly,..so the next thing you know it's time to take that favorite exit ramp for your house or community. At this point the cop realizes even with his "cop" training ( in some cases ) that his Jeep cherokee sport doesnt have the same ability as our WRC derived Subaru's . So as you're exiting the ramp in a full drift into the fast lane of a pubic road , he is entering the ramp. Here is were the trouble starts and we honest , never before been to jail for running from the Police types have a major decision to make. As the cop exits the ramp you are now 1/8 mile down the road and around other cars, in particular other cars fitting your description. To add to this feeling and paint a proper picture, as you glance in your rearview mirror you cant tell if the seemingly agressive driving civilian is flashing his headlights or are those,......red lights in the front grill?....upon further glances at 115 mph, you see RED AND BLUE LIGHTS ALONG WITH THE HEADLIGHTS ALTERNATING !!!!! OH f--k,......As a small amount of "Charlie Brown " sweat comes from your forehead at that instant you have to make a decision. MY house is a half mile away and a small twist section of road, and my garage door remote is brand new with *****in' range,....OOOOORRRRRRRR,........pullover and have this cop ,..A. think that you were running from him,...B. tell the court that he clocked you going into a exit ramp trail-braking at 85 mph,.. C. tell the court that you were driving one of those new cars in the commercial on TV with the kids being reckless,.. D. 5 other regular cops pull up and start beating the sh-t out of you because you ran....
My whole point is not to glorify the action of this, but to pass along the reality that once you in this situation there is no turning back, and it can happen very easlily,its just that most cops pull you over right away and there is no confusion. Its a bad situation to be in,also It's kinda like your girlfriend walking in on you after you had been working out and your all sweaty, and then your ex stops by,....all she sees is you sweaty and another girl there.
GUILTY AS CHARGED !!!
This thing starts out with you just driving spiritedly and could end up with you in jail with 12 points.
As for the story I started telling,..it was a risky situation that could have costed me my job, ( cant have any points),..my ability to instruct at Summit Point,..and possibly my license. Luckily I did the right thing.
944 turbo guy
My whole point is not to glorify the action of this, but to pass along the reality that once you in this situation there is no turning back, and it can happen very easlily,its just that most cops pull you over right away and there is no confusion. Its a bad situation to be in,also It's kinda like your girlfriend walking in on you after you had been working out and your all sweaty, and then your ex stops by,....all she sees is you sweaty and another girl there.
GUILTY AS CHARGED !!!
This thing starts out with you just driving spiritedly and could end up with you in jail with 12 points.
As for the story I started telling,..it was a risky situation that could have costed me my job, ( cant have any points),..my ability to instruct at Summit Point,..and possibly my license. Luckily I did the right thing.
944 turbo guy
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I should have name this thread, " spirited driving" because it started out that way and ended very differently, I didnt like being in that situation being a responsible father and since I always preach " lead by example" it was the worst feeling once I realized there was no turning back.
My reason for posting this was to help others avoid this whole thing. After talking to several cop friends including my best friend who is state guy, they all agreed to at some point letting someone who is'nt reckless, yet a little over the limit (5-10)
continue to go and if you egg someone on, any of us after a while will try to lose someone for one reason or another.
I have come away from this with a whole different attitude about how I drive on the street.
944 t g
My reason for posting this was to help others avoid this whole thing. After talking to several cop friends including my best friend who is state guy, they all agreed to at some point letting someone who is'nt reckless, yet a little over the limit (5-10)
continue to go and if you egg someone on, any of us after a while will try to lose someone for one reason or another.
I have come away from this with a whole different attitude about how I drive on the street.
944 t g
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Street Driving
I took my sorrely missed RX-7 Twin turbo to Friday at the Track at summit point about three times. Teh third time, I was chjasing down a C4 Vette and a 240Z ITS car - and gaining - it is on a spectator's video.
I hit the dip at turn 8, lifted (nothing like not enough experience) and spun into the tire wall doing mostly cosmetic damage.
I stopped going becuase I didn't have a roll cage and needed my car to drive to work. I realized that I didn;t ahe to be stupid twice. (A few years back, an experienced driver was killed when he rolled his Mustang). The RX-7 was way too much car to start track work with. I hit 130 on the stright, about 55 through 1. I would hit 102 into 3. 10 I had to start using 4th gear since I was in the upper 90 (could no longer look).
I do not regret the time on the track. It made me a better and safer driver, my tires and brakes also last longer.
One of the things that I learned is that streets are not race tracks. Streets rarely have run-off areas. I ahve yet to see a tire wall on the highway. (Tire walls really work - I never felt the impact). I never,e ver put myself in a position on the road where touching the brakes in a corner will cause me to use up all available traction (i.e. spin).
As for out running cops: radios operate at the speed of light.....
I hit the dip at turn 8, lifted (nothing like not enough experience) and spun into the tire wall doing mostly cosmetic damage.
I stopped going becuase I didn't have a roll cage and needed my car to drive to work. I realized that I didn;t ahe to be stupid twice. (A few years back, an experienced driver was killed when he rolled his Mustang). The RX-7 was way too much car to start track work with. I hit 130 on the stright, about 55 through 1. I would hit 102 into 3. 10 I had to start using 4th gear since I was in the upper 90 (could no longer look).
I do not regret the time on the track. It made me a better and safer driver, my tires and brakes also last longer.
One of the things that I learned is that streets are not race tracks. Streets rarely have run-off areas. I ahve yet to see a tire wall on the highway. (Tire walls really work - I never felt the impact). I never,e ver put myself in a position on the road where touching the brakes in a corner will cause me to use up all available traction (i.e. spin).
As for out running cops: radios operate at the speed of light.....
First of all....as a police officer in the DC area (virginia side, I won't say where), I can't condone street racing. However as an WRX owner and former owner of two 5.0's, I feel your pain. Many times we will follow cars if they are sppeding to get driving behavior...especially at night. Looking for intoxicated drivers of course. You did the correct thing stopping of course. And if You have any doubt about an unmarked cruiser you are permitted to drive to a safe location. As far as your event is concerned, I am curious as to if the officer who stopped You was in uniform, since my department forbids traffic stops in unmarked vehicles if not in uniform displaying your badge. Best of luck in court. By the way, You have the right to request to see the cruiser speedometer calibrations and or radar/lidar depending on what he was using.
interesting...
i was stopped before by an unmarked lumina with the officer NOT in uniform and he had nothing on me (no radar and no pace) and he gave me reckless which was reduced to negligent. He said he didnt even know how fast I was going but I was speeding. This was about 2.5 years ago on 495. Screwed me over as far as insurance went. I went to court with a lawyer and the judge would not even listen to us and believed everything that came out of the officer's mouth
i was stopped before by an unmarked lumina with the officer NOT in uniform and he had nothing on me (no radar and no pace) and he gave me reckless which was reduced to negligent. He said he didnt even know how fast I was going but I was speeding. This was about 2.5 years ago on 495. Screwed me over as far as insurance went. I went to court with a lawyer and the judge would not even listen to us and believed everything that came out of the officer's mouth
Jesus Myles, sounds like a little skiff with the police you had in a 3-speed Mercedes! 
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It's a known fact that several jurisdictions in the Wash. Metro region have what are known as Non Pursuit Policies. Does anyone know how or when they apply?
I know balt city will not pursue and I think D.C. will not. Everwhere else u are fair game. Dont run from VA state....especially the southern boys. They dont like that. FYI, A crown Vic with a lightbar tops out bout 135....but several agencies have Z28's. which easily top 160. Plus the helicopters will approach 180. The only thing I wont chase is a crotchrocket bike...there is no point to try. Im not going to respond to this thing anymore for fear of giving away all our secrets.
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I know balt city will not pursue and I think D.C. will not. Everwhere else u are fair game. Dont run from VA state....especially the southern boys. They dont like that. FYI, A crown Vic with a lightbar tops out bout 135....but several agencies have Z28's. which easily top 160. Plus the helicopters will approach 180. The only thing I wont chase is a crotchrocket bike...there is no point to try. Im not going to respond to this thing anymore for fear of giving away all our secrets.
I know balt city will not pursue and I think D.C. will not. Everwhere else u are fair game. Dont run from VA state....especially the southern boys. They dont like that. FYI, A crown Vic with a lightbar tops out bout 135....but several agencies have Z28's. which easily top 160. Plus the helicopters will approach 180. The only thing I wont chase is a crotchrocket bike...there is no point to try. Im not going to respond to this thing anymore for fear of giving away all our secrets.
What I want to know is what jurisdictions are out for safety and which are in it for the money. Now, we all know what DC enforcement is like. Nothing like ahveing an aerospace company write tickets for a fee by installing a camera.
I want to have a franachise to give Video Cam tickets to people on the Beltway who change lanes without signaling.
Prince William County also has a no pursuit policy ( for traffic violations ONLY.) Stafford does not have a pursuit policy, which means anything you do makes you a fair game for the chase.
Here are some known Speed Camera locations in the District of Columbia:
1. 200 blk. Michigan Ave. NE
2. 3000 blk. Harewood Rd. NE
3. So. Dakota Ave. between Taylor St. and Randolph St. NE
4. 800 blk. of Florida Ave. NE ( its mounted on a big pole in front of Gallaudet University).
5. Georgia Ave. @ New Hampshire Ave.
6. on occasion, Riggs Rd. @ So. Dakota Ave.
You might be askin yourself, aren't these all very close together?
Why yes, they are!
They are also situated on all of the major commuter routes, so that the people who are affected/fined the most, are also the very same people who can't vote them out! Pretty ingenious, eh?
I believe the last revenue figures for the cameras were somewhere around $8 Million a month. And NO, thats not a misprint. If anything its an underestimate.
paying on of these beauties is very convenient too, i might add. No points. Just a mere $162 for 52 in a 25 mph zone. 52? in a 25? you might ask... yes. it should also be a 45 mile per hour zone, as its 6 lanes wide, with only a few stop lights.
The other side of this story is, if you don't want to pay it; take the day off from work, and go to court. You can easily win. Its simple.
All you have to do, is ask the bailiff to deliver a message to the judge, asking for him/her to have the police officer point you out to court. Its your right as the defendant to face your accuser in the United States. Don't worry, because it will never get this far. The court will throw the entire thing out, because the City doesnt want to lose this huge money making scheme on a judicial technicality. They will do the smart thing and lose the $120-162, on you, the educated traffic court defendant, and still continue to rake in $8-12 million MONTHLY.
Good Luck. I've tried it. It works.
Here are some known Speed Camera locations in the District of Columbia:
1. 200 blk. Michigan Ave. NE
2. 3000 blk. Harewood Rd. NE
3. So. Dakota Ave. between Taylor St. and Randolph St. NE
4. 800 blk. of Florida Ave. NE ( its mounted on a big pole in front of Gallaudet University).
5. Georgia Ave. @ New Hampshire Ave.
6. on occasion, Riggs Rd. @ So. Dakota Ave.
You might be askin yourself, aren't these all very close together?
Why yes, they are!
They are also situated on all of the major commuter routes, so that the people who are affected/fined the most, are also the very same people who can't vote them out! Pretty ingenious, eh?
I believe the last revenue figures for the cameras were somewhere around $8 Million a month. And NO, thats not a misprint. If anything its an underestimate.
paying on of these beauties is very convenient too, i might add. No points. Just a mere $162 for 52 in a 25 mph zone. 52? in a 25? you might ask... yes. it should also be a 45 mile per hour zone, as its 6 lanes wide, with only a few stop lights.
The other side of this story is, if you don't want to pay it; take the day off from work, and go to court. You can easily win. Its simple.
All you have to do, is ask the bailiff to deliver a message to the judge, asking for him/her to have the police officer point you out to court. Its your right as the defendant to face your accuser in the United States. Don't worry, because it will never get this far. The court will throw the entire thing out, because the City doesnt want to lose this huge money making scheme on a judicial technicality. They will do the smart thing and lose the $120-162, on you, the educated traffic court defendant, and still continue to rake in $8-12 million MONTHLY.
Good Luck. I've tried it. It works.


