North Bay Drive # 12: Clear Lake on and off roads
05-03-2004, 09:37 PM
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If we have ALL day, I think we can make the scene at all the roads. I think we can also make two totally separate courses for the tarmac guys, and make the timing work out pretty close to right. Let me get the road names from the AAA maps, so we can coordinate on the same maps. The Cobb Mtn. drive can be for the tarmac guys, and the Bartlett Springs area can be for the dirt guys.
Last weekend, Pleiad and I went and I taught her how to do Scoobynuts...
PS: Can we move this into the meets/runs section?
Last weekend, Pleiad and I went and I taught her how to do Scoobynuts...
PS: Can we move this into the meets/runs section?
05-03-2004, 09:48 PM
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AAA maps you say...are these generally the best to use? Rich totally inspired me and now Im trying to map out the good tarmac in SC. The AAA is the most detailed, but its also the smallest in scope. I dont want to hijack the thread again, but maybe someone could PM me the name of their favorite cartography company?
05-03-2004, 09:54 PM
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the AAA map you want is called
"Mendocino and Sonoma Coast Region"
Its very detailed and you will find all the roads we hit, even the obscure ones. The AAA here in Santa Rosa now hasa vending machine out in front full of maps, you just stick in your AAA card and it spits out all the free maps you want, how cool is that!
"Mendocino and Sonoma Coast Region"
Its very detailed and you will find all the roads we hit, even the obscure ones. The AAA here in Santa Rosa now hasa vending machine out in front full of maps, you just stick in your AAA card and it spits out all the free maps you want, how cool is that!
05-03-2004, 10:01 PM
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There are a couple to look at. I have the DeLorme Atlas an Gazeteer. These are 1:150,000 topographic. These are pretty good.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846
There is also Benchmark California Road & Recreation Atlas
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books
This is a slightly smaller scale 1:300,000 but covers all of California in one book and has a a lot more additional information. Probably I go with this.
The AAA maps are good too. They are probably better at showing legitimate rights of way, but they are not topographic and therefore a bit less interesting to look at. Good to have if you can get them for free.
sorry I contributed to the hijak
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846
There is also Benchmark California Road & Recreation Atlas
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books
This is a slightly smaller scale 1:300,000 but covers all of California in one book and has a a lot more additional information. Probably I go with this.
The AAA maps are good too. They are probably better at showing legitimate rights of way, but they are not topographic and therefore a bit less interesting to look at. Good to have if you can get them for free.
sorry I contributed to the hijak
05-03-2004, 10:16 PM
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Here's one from the same trip. Close to but not on the current itinerary though. Not a dirt road and it has a wicked camber so not for the faint hearted or of those of the lowered suspension persuasion.
05-03-2004, 10:20 PM
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Also. Beware of Grasshoppers. They do quite a number to the fins on your air conditioner. Took me about two hours to get the corpses out of my front end.
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05-03-2004, 10:21 PM
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I should credit Pete for telling me about that road so I will 
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05-03-2004, 10:53 PM
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The Benchmark atlas maps are pretty handy for telling dirt roads from paved, DeLorme's not so hot in that regard, but those two are what I usually go by.
AAA maps are great, but you need a box to carry them all around in if you venture beyond your local map, and they take up the whole cockpit if you have to unfold one all the way.
For computer mapping programs, they all pretty much have problems in one way or another.
MS streets and trips doesn't show a LOT of roads as going through (ie: del Puerto Canyon to Mines Rd, LaGloria Rd, Parkfield Grade, Mt Gleason- Rim's first forest stage this year, just to name a few)
DeLorme's Street atlas is better but harder to use and has some roads that are simply in the wrong place....
Their Topo USA is probably one of the better <$200 programs but it has its own limitations too.
AAA maps are great, but you need a box to carry them all around in if you venture beyond your local map, and they take up the whole cockpit if you have to unfold one all the way.
For computer mapping programs, they all pretty much have problems in one way or another.
MS streets and trips doesn't show a LOT of roads as going through (ie: del Puerto Canyon to Mines Rd, LaGloria Rd, Parkfield Grade, Mt Gleason- Rim's first forest stage this year, just to name a few)
DeLorme's Street atlas is better but harder to use and has some roads that are simply in the wrong place....
Their Topo USA is probably one of the better <$200 programs but it has its own limitations too.
05-04-2004, 08:08 AM
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Pre-check
So, what's the deal for pre-check? How many cars do we need, and who's riding with whom?
I'd think we need two cars at least to check both the tarmac and the adventure route...
I'd think we need two cars at least to check both the tarmac and the adventure route...
05-04-2004, 03:44 PM
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Somehow Roo got it in his head that we were scouting tomorrow (wed) and i don't know who said it. Maybe a typo.
Anyway, i use AAA maps and the wonderful "Thomas Guide" map books. I have the California Book, The Napa & Sonoma Counties book and the Marin County street guide. Each of the books are great and show you roads you never knew were there. But i tend to find out that "some" of the hard core back roads do not go as far ar the book says. See they also post all Farm "no tresspassing" dirt roads. So i often come to dead ends after driving for some time out in the middle of no where. But it's till fun. Some of my favorite roads come to an end with a large fence.
Man, figuring out how to use this "new" sight really sucks. I just thought i was getting a handle on the old one.
-rich
Anyway, i use AAA maps and the wonderful "Thomas Guide" map books. I have the California Book, The Napa & Sonoma Counties book and the Marin County street guide. Each of the books are great and show you roads you never knew were there. But i tend to find out that "some" of the hard core back roads do not go as far ar the book says. See they also post all Farm "no tresspassing" dirt roads. So i often come to dead ends after driving for some time out in the middle of no where. But it's till fun. Some of my favorite roads come to an end with a large fence.
Man, figuring out how to use this "new" sight really sucks. I just thought i was getting a handle on the old one.
-rich
05-04-2004, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bushido
Somehow Roo got it in his head that we were scouting tomorrow (wed) and i don't know who said it. Maybe a typo.
Anyway, i use AAA maps and the wonderful "Thomas Guide" map books. I have the California Book, The Napa & Sonoma Counties book and the Marin County street guide. Each of the books are great and show you roads you never knew were there. But i tend to find out that "some" of the hard core back roads do not go as far ar the book says. See they also post all Farm "no tresspassing" dirt roads. So i often come to dead ends after driving for some time out in the middle of no where. But it's till fun. Some of my favorite roads come to an end with a large fence.
Man, figuring out how to use this "new" sight really sucks. I just thought i was getting a handle on the old one.
-rich
Anyway, i use AAA maps and the wonderful "Thomas Guide" map books. I have the California Book, The Napa & Sonoma Counties book and the Marin County street guide. Each of the books are great and show you roads you never knew were there. But i tend to find out that "some" of the hard core back roads do not go as far ar the book says. See they also post all Farm "no tresspassing" dirt roads. So i often come to dead ends after driving for some time out in the middle of no where. But it's till fun. Some of my favorite roads come to an end with a large fence.
Man, figuring out how to use this "new" sight really sucks. I just thought i was getting a handle on the old one.
-rich
05-04-2004, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by netzr0
you ever use something like MS Maps ? or some other computer based program?