View Poll Results: Will you come out for the Presidents Day Cruise?
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16
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Presidents Day Cruise to show support for Hawaii Motorsports
Presidents Day Cruise to show support for Hawaii Motorsports
This is also a poll. See the link for full details, but the short version:
Mike Oakland (Hawaii Motorsports Center) is requesting that all clubs come out on Presidents Day to cruise around the capitol.
Quoted from Mike's message on Forums Hawaii:
The purpose is to let our friends at the capitol know how large the Motorsports community is.
The reason is several fold:
1. we need a new motorsports complex and I will
be submitting a bill to facilitate this. The race track lease expires in april of 06.
2. Those who support or oppose recon can show their constituency and vehicles .
3. let the legislature know how diverse our public
is in type, style, vehicles, interests and professions we represent
http://www.forumshawaii.net/phpBB2/v...er=asc&start=0
Mike Oakland (Hawaii Motorsports Center) is requesting that all clubs come out on Presidents Day to cruise around the capitol.
Quoted from Mike's message on Forums Hawaii:
The purpose is to let our friends at the capitol know how large the Motorsports community is.
The reason is several fold:
1. we need a new motorsports complex and I will
be submitting a bill to facilitate this. The race track lease expires in april of 06.
2. Those who support or oppose recon can show their constituency and vehicles .
3. let the legislature know how diverse our public
is in type, style, vehicles, interests and professions we represent
http://www.forumshawaii.net/phpBB2/v...er=asc&start=0
Last edited by mehlt; Jan 24, 2005 at 11:20 PM.
Since I came from the world of politics I think I can lay some information out for you guys...though this action may serve to show politicians that the tuner/car enthusiast community is very large, it really won't entice the politicians to take action. They know that car enthusiasm is popular...it's been that way ever since automobiles were invented.
What the community really needs to do is establish a political action movement on the grassroots level. This meet is one step but it's pretty much gonna fail if it isn't followed up with some grassroots lobbying of the politicians as well as a concerted effort by the businesses in the community.
We also need to learn to play the "Game" (something I'm very familiar with):
1. Submit legislation to our local legislators...make sure that they're actually gonna introduce the bill...easier to do it in the House (Rep. Cabanilla or Moses...latter will be a hard one) because there are more new people coming in that are trying to reach out to any constituency that they can. In the Senate you'll probably want to take it to Sen. Hanabusa of Sen Kanno since it affects their districts IIRC.
2. Get the bill HEARD in committee...this is the extremely hard part because a very small percentage of the hundreds of bills that get introduced actually make it to committee.
3. Get the bill through committee to either the next committee or to the floor of whatever side you got it currently on.
4. Get it sent to the other side.
5. Get it through that side's committee(s)
6. Get it through the joint committee(s) if one side says it needs changes that the other doesn't like.
7. Get it passed through all of the other craziness and voila...a new Motorsport Complex!
...I'd say that you will be submitting testimony at least twice most likely more. You'll also need to visit every legislator on each committee that it gets sent to. In my professional opinion...this is gonna be a really tough bill to pass. You gotta look at the situation that we're in right now...basically, we have major spending problems and not enough money to go around. If we were trying to do this about 6 years ago when everything was going well...it would be a lot easier.
Basically, the way it sounds is that Mike wants to have a motorsports complex built through either state money or tax credits. I can think of at least 4-5 legislators in high positions that will definitely not support this bill unless you do some real wheeling and dealing a la Ko Olina.
You'll also have to have a business backer that is willing to agree to a letter of intent to actually build and maintain the thing. That leads to a whole other area of work...WHEW!
I wish him the best of luck...will post on his thread as well.
What the community really needs to do is establish a political action movement on the grassroots level. This meet is one step but it's pretty much gonna fail if it isn't followed up with some grassroots lobbying of the politicians as well as a concerted effort by the businesses in the community.
We also need to learn to play the "Game" (something I'm very familiar with):
1. Submit legislation to our local legislators...make sure that they're actually gonna introduce the bill...easier to do it in the House (Rep. Cabanilla or Moses...latter will be a hard one) because there are more new people coming in that are trying to reach out to any constituency that they can. In the Senate you'll probably want to take it to Sen. Hanabusa of Sen Kanno since it affects their districts IIRC.
2. Get the bill HEARD in committee...this is the extremely hard part because a very small percentage of the hundreds of bills that get introduced actually make it to committee.
3. Get the bill through committee to either the next committee or to the floor of whatever side you got it currently on.
4. Get it sent to the other side.
5. Get it through that side's committee(s)
6. Get it through the joint committee(s) if one side says it needs changes that the other doesn't like.
7. Get it passed through all of the other craziness and voila...a new Motorsport Complex!
...I'd say that you will be submitting testimony at least twice most likely more. You'll also need to visit every legislator on each committee that it gets sent to. In my professional opinion...this is gonna be a really tough bill to pass. You gotta look at the situation that we're in right now...basically, we have major spending problems and not enough money to go around. If we were trying to do this about 6 years ago when everything was going well...it would be a lot easier.
Basically, the way it sounds is that Mike wants to have a motorsports complex built through either state money or tax credits. I can think of at least 4-5 legislators in high positions that will definitely not support this bill unless you do some real wheeling and dealing a la Ko Olina.
You'll also have to have a business backer that is willing to agree to a letter of intent to actually build and maintain the thing. That leads to a whole other area of work...WHEW!
I wish him the best of luck...will post on his thread as well.
^^^It's pretty hard to get a law through especially one that asks for expenditures or tax credits in years that we really don't have money for "like to have" purchases like this.
Last edited by bpang1; Jan 25, 2005 at 01:00 PM.
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What time would you be doing this cruize because I have to go to that great aloha run in the morning. Also FWI, since the run is going the same day you my have to adjust the route a little bit.
As it stands now the time is 12 noon to 2 or 3 pm. It's not a requirement to cruise as a group, but we can if enough folks are interested. They are just asking for folks to come out and make a few rounds around the State Capitol to show support for Hawaii motorsports.
This a FAQ that was put together:
Presidents' Day Motorsports and Car Enthusiast Cruise
When and where?
Presidents' Day, Monday, February 21, 2005, from 12 noon to 2pm or 3pm. Cruise past the State Capitol Building to represent the local motorsports and car enthusiast community. A map of a suggested route will be available later.
A few legislators and the local media will be there.
Who's invited?
Everyone who has anything to do with the local motorsports or car enthusiast scene. Participants, enthusiasts, supporters, people in the automotive business, promoters, automotive marketing -- anyone involved in one way or another.
We would like to have thousands of people there riding their bikes, driving their street rods, cruise cars, family cars or hot rods, or trailoring their race cars around the capitol that day, very orderly, with dignity and respect. We especially want the people who normally don't come out for an event like this to show their support -- older enthusiasts, busy professionals and families. If you want to bring a car full of people who would enjoy walking around the capitol, that would be welcome also.
What's this cruise for?
We need show our legislators how large and diverse the local motorsports and car enthusiast community really is. The people we voted into office are making decisions that are bad for our community because many of them consider us a small and insignificant part of the population.
It is important that we show them how large a community we represent. It is important they understand that local motorsports fans are responsible citizens who come in all ages, all professions and all walks of life. The strength of our numbers can be represented with a large turnout of cars cruising past the State Capitol Building. Our diverse interests can be represented with the various types and styles of vehicles we drive.
Politicians only want to please voters. It's how they keep their jobs. If they realize how many motorsports fans there are, they will realize that if they don't support us, they will lose A LOT of votes.
Why is this so important now?
We are at risk of losing our race track. The land that Hawaii Raceway Park sits on is owned by Campbell Estate, and the lease is up in 2006. The Estate wants the land back, and our State government has little to no interest in helping us build a new track or helping us keep the existing one. Think about that, folks. That would leave us WITHOUT A RACE TRACK, and our government DOESN'T CARE.
Looking beyond the immediate problem of losing our race track, demonstrating the size and diversity of our community has other benefits. We would stand a much better chance of changing unpopular laws like recon, for example. A long line of diverse rides crusing with dignity and respect will also help our image after a lot of bad publicity by a few bad apples in our bunch.
How will the cruise be organized?
We are not organizing one gigantic cruise. We are encouraging local car clubs, businesses, organizations, groups of friends and individual enthusiasts to take some time out of their Presidents' Day holiday to cruise past the State Capitol Building between 12 noon and 2pm that day.
We will make a map of a suggested cruise route and make it available sometime in the very near future.
Why pick a holiday when our legislators will not be there?
It is not necessary for our legislators to be there. What matters most is how many cars and people show up. The media will be there covering the event, so our legislators will see it when they watch the news that evening or read about it in the newspaper the next morning.
If we did this during a normal working day, we would create a huge traffic jam and the public would hate us. We need to do this with respect for the other drivers and not create a problem.
Presidents' Day Motorsports and Car Enthusiast Cruise
When and where?
Presidents' Day, Monday, February 21, 2005, from 12 noon to 2pm or 3pm. Cruise past the State Capitol Building to represent the local motorsports and car enthusiast community. A map of a suggested route will be available later.
A few legislators and the local media will be there.
Who's invited?
Everyone who has anything to do with the local motorsports or car enthusiast scene. Participants, enthusiasts, supporters, people in the automotive business, promoters, automotive marketing -- anyone involved in one way or another.
We would like to have thousands of people there riding their bikes, driving their street rods, cruise cars, family cars or hot rods, or trailoring their race cars around the capitol that day, very orderly, with dignity and respect. We especially want the people who normally don't come out for an event like this to show their support -- older enthusiasts, busy professionals and families. If you want to bring a car full of people who would enjoy walking around the capitol, that would be welcome also.
What's this cruise for?
We need show our legislators how large and diverse the local motorsports and car enthusiast community really is. The people we voted into office are making decisions that are bad for our community because many of them consider us a small and insignificant part of the population.
It is important that we show them how large a community we represent. It is important they understand that local motorsports fans are responsible citizens who come in all ages, all professions and all walks of life. The strength of our numbers can be represented with a large turnout of cars cruising past the State Capitol Building. Our diverse interests can be represented with the various types and styles of vehicles we drive.
Politicians only want to please voters. It's how they keep their jobs. If they realize how many motorsports fans there are, they will realize that if they don't support us, they will lose A LOT of votes.
Why is this so important now?
We are at risk of losing our race track. The land that Hawaii Raceway Park sits on is owned by Campbell Estate, and the lease is up in 2006. The Estate wants the land back, and our State government has little to no interest in helping us build a new track or helping us keep the existing one. Think about that, folks. That would leave us WITHOUT A RACE TRACK, and our government DOESN'T CARE.
Looking beyond the immediate problem of losing our race track, demonstrating the size and diversity of our community has other benefits. We would stand a much better chance of changing unpopular laws like recon, for example. A long line of diverse rides crusing with dignity and respect will also help our image after a lot of bad publicity by a few bad apples in our bunch.
How will the cruise be organized?
We are not organizing one gigantic cruise. We are encouraging local car clubs, businesses, organizations, groups of friends and individual enthusiasts to take some time out of their Presidents' Day holiday to cruise past the State Capitol Building between 12 noon and 2pm that day.
We will make a map of a suggested cruise route and make it available sometime in the very near future.
Why pick a holiday when our legislators will not be there?
It is not necessary for our legislators to be there. What matters most is how many cars and people show up. The media will be there covering the event, so our legislators will see it when they watch the news that evening or read about it in the newspaper the next morning.
If we did this during a normal working day, we would create a huge traffic jam and the public would hate us. We need to do this with respect for the other drivers and not create a problem.
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while i'm sure they(HPD) wouldn't do this... but it would be a nice shooting gallery for HPD. imagine all the tickets that could possibly be handed out that day. 
i will do my best to make this- we will see depending on my relocation of my profession.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
i will do my best to make this- we will see depending on my relocation of my profession.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
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