New Turbo.
11-13-2004, 07:53 PM
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New Turbo.
I was thinking of purchasing a WRX soon, so i am new, and was looking for a little more power. Could i just get a VF-34? If i got that, would any modding to other parts have to be done? The price doesnt seem too bad. How much of a difference would the vf34 make? Would you suggest this, or is this going a little overboard?
If you wouldnt suggest this, what would you do? This car will be driven daily.
If you wouldnt suggest this, what would you do? This car will be driven daily.
11-14-2004, 10:51 AM
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Well, i guess im not gonna go with the new turbo, after reading everythng you should get with it. What do you guys think about getting the helix uppipe, helix downpipe w/hi flow cat and the helix turboback exhaust? Is that a pretty good setup without going too far?
Thanks.
Thanks.
11-14-2004, 11:29 AM
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I don't have a WRX yet, but I was thinking about the same mods including the VR34. I think you just need the bigger fuel injectors and the fuel pump for the turbo. Gruppe-s website has the full VR34 package for around $1250. I was going to do the up and down pipes, and exhaust also. I would do it at the same time so the ECU just needs to be flashed once (unless you get a kit to do it yourself whenever you want). Am I missing something with the turbo upgrade that you found out?
11-14-2004, 03:27 PM
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I think thats all you need. It would be great if someone would actually help us though. I was gonna do the turbo, but it would be too expensive with everything you need. So ill probably go down/up pipe and Turboback exhaust sometime after those.
I have another qeustion. If i were to get the uppipe and downpipes would the new ones come without a cat? I know you can get a downpipe with a cat but what about the uppipe? Wont that(i dont know how to say this)be bad? I dont wanna smell all the different things that you can without a cat.
I have another qeustion. If i were to get the uppipe and downpipes would the new ones come without a cat? I know you can get a downpipe with a cat but what about the uppipe? Wont that(i dont know how to say this)be bad? I dont wanna smell all the different things that you can without a cat.
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11-14-2004, 06:27 PM
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people usually buy an uppipe because it has no cat (for faster spool time, and safer when increasing boost) ......if you were to just buy one with a cat it would be like changing stock for stock.....
no cats for aftermarket up/down pipes.
oh and a turboback exhaust includes a down pipe.
also i have uppipe/turboback exhaust no cats w/reflash. never did smell those different things your talking about.
suggestion: put in the uppipe/turboback exhaust first(with or with a reflash). get used to the car first then if you need more power. think about the VF-34 turbos.
hope this helps.
-ROB
no cats for aftermarket up/down pipes.
oh and a turboback exhaust includes a down pipe.
also i have uppipe/turboback exhaust no cats w/reflash. never did smell those different things your talking about.
suggestion: put in the uppipe/turboback exhaust first(with or with a reflash). get used to the car first then if you need more power. think about the VF-34 turbos.
hope this helps.
-ROB
11-14-2004, 06:55 PM
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Just an aside, but there are some models of downpipe that include a high-flow cat if you're concerned about emissions.
It'd probably be wise to just start off with a downpipe and catback (i.e. turboback) or downpipe and uppipe combo. Then when you get used to it, consider other power mods. Also, some form of engine management is very useful.
It'd probably be wise to just start off with a downpipe and catback (i.e. turboback) or downpipe and uppipe combo. Then when you get used to it, consider other power mods. Also, some form of engine management is very useful.
11-15-2004, 02:54 PM
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Ok thanks guys, so turboback exhausts come with downpipes? So i would just buy a turboback and an uppipe and be set, well, until i feel like i need more power?
Im still concerned about emissions though, would you suggest the turboback and the uppipe? Or, can i get an uppipe, downpipe w/hi flow cat, and a catback? Would that work?
Just one more question, i read that if you get a new upipe i should get new gaskets etc., it seems really confusing. Do i? And if i do, where do i get them? Is there a set or what?
and by engine management, you mean reflash?
Im still concerned about emissions though, would you suggest the turboback and the uppipe? Or, can i get an uppipe, downpipe w/hi flow cat, and a catback? Would that work?
Just one more question, i read that if you get a new upipe i should get new gaskets etc., it seems really confusing. Do i? And if i do, where do i get them? Is there a set or what?
and by engine management, you mean reflash?
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11-15-2004, 03:49 PM
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1. Turboback exhausts consist of a downpipe and a catback (technically, there is also a section called the midpipe between the downpipe and catback, but it's usually already included with the downpipe so few people mention it specifically).
2. How concerned are you about emissions? If you're in CA like I am, just know that any exhaust mods from the engine to the catalytic converter are essentially illegal. Uppipe, downpipe w/cat, and catback could perhaps pass emissions standards in CA, but there's a law that states that stock cats cannot be removed OR replaced so
3. If I recally correctly, new gaskets should come with most exhaust components. If not, you can buy a set yourself.
4. A reflash is one form of engine management. Other popular forms are UTEC, Accesport, etc. Adventurous tuners (especially ones more oriented to Japanese-style tuning) often use "magic boxes" like Greddy e-manage and HKS F-Con, etc. I'm not too knowledgeable about specific engine management though, so it'd be best if you browsed the Engine Management section of the forum.
2. How concerned are you about emissions? If you're in CA like I am, just know that any exhaust mods from the engine to the catalytic converter are essentially illegal. Uppipe, downpipe w/cat, and catback could perhaps pass emissions standards in CA, but there's a law that states that stock cats cannot be removed OR replaced so
3. If I recally correctly, new gaskets should come with most exhaust components. If not, you can buy a set yourself.
4. A reflash is one form of engine management. Other popular forms are UTEC, Accesport, etc. Adventurous tuners (especially ones more oriented to Japanese-style tuning) often use "magic boxes" like Greddy e-manage and HKS F-Con, etc. I'm not too knowledgeable about specific engine management though, so it'd be best if you browsed the Engine Management section of the forum.
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11-15-2004, 03:56 PM
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dont know much about emissions laws, like about what would pass the sniffer tests.
but about the uppipe gaskets. you should replace them with new ones. my PDE uppipe did not come with new gaskets ,so i just used the old ones. i guess since the car was still practically brand new it didnt leak. 
engine management: utec, access port, ecu-tec, etc. all reflash the ecu.
i wouldnt recommend piggyback engine managment like: s-afc ,etc.
the ecu would just eventually learn around piggybacks.
but about the uppipe gaskets. you should replace them with new ones. my PDE uppipe did not come with new gaskets
,so i just used the old ones. i guess since the car was still practically brand new it didnt leak. engine management: utec, access port, ecu-tec, etc. all reflash the ecu.
i wouldnt recommend piggyback engine managment like: s-afc ,etc.
the ecu would just eventually learn around piggybacks.
11-15-2004, 04:49 PM
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Thanks again guys. Do any of the helix products(down/uppipe)come with the gaskets?
Also, i live in VA, im not totally sure on all of the laws, so i dont know about the emissions.
Choku Dori, in response to #1, so that means i can get a catback and the up/downpipe combo?
Also, i live in VA, im not totally sure on all of the laws, so i dont know about the emissions.
Choku Dori, in response to #1, so that means i can get a catback and the up/downpipe combo?
11-15-2004, 05:26 PM
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Yes, a complete exahust setup would consist of (headers) -> uppipe -> downpipe (-> midpipe) -> catback
With the up and downpipe plus catback, you'll be making a healthy dose of power; enough to make the WRX quite formidable in my opinion.
With the up and downpipe plus catback, you'll be making a healthy dose of power; enough to make the WRX quite formidable in my opinion.
11-15-2004, 10:35 PM
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if your interested in buying the Helix up/down combo......check out the vendor forums: https://www.i-club.com/forums/vendor-group-buys-specials-146/helix-finally-79031/
try PMing them about the gaskets question.
oh and i live in Hawaii and we dont have any emissions laws. so i wouldnt know anything about that sorry. try a search or maybe posting in your reginal forums ??
try PMing them about the gaskets question.
oh and i live in Hawaii and we dont have any emissions laws. so i wouldnt know anything about that sorry. try a search or maybe posting in your reginal forums ??
11-16-2004, 12:00 PM
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having personally gone from a stock car to a full on vf34 setup, i would recommend going with a staged approach.
1: engine management of your choice (reflash, accessport, utec, etc...). this sets you up nicely for future mods if you decide you want more power.
2: add up-pipe and turboback and get your engine management re-tuned. this is as far as you can go on the stock fuel system, and will give very quick spool and pretty decent power. this also sets you up for a turbo and fuel system upgrade if you want more power.
3: add a larger turbo, fuel injectors, fuel pump, and get your engine management re-tuned. this is about as far as you can take the stock engine and transmission and still have a reliable, quick, smooth daily driver.
most vendors have different stage numbers for this... vishnu is stage 0, stage 1, and stage 2. cobb is stage 1, stage 2, and stage 2.5.
if at any point, you have reached the power level you want or are comfortable with, call it done and start paying attention to other areas of the car. when increasing power, tire and brake upgrades are always a good idea.
1: engine management of your choice (reflash, accessport, utec, etc...). this sets you up nicely for future mods if you decide you want more power.
2: add up-pipe and turboback and get your engine management re-tuned. this is as far as you can go on the stock fuel system, and will give very quick spool and pretty decent power. this also sets you up for a turbo and fuel system upgrade if you want more power.
3: add a larger turbo, fuel injectors, fuel pump, and get your engine management re-tuned. this is about as far as you can take the stock engine and transmission and still have a reliable, quick, smooth daily driver.
most vendors have different stage numbers for this... vishnu is stage 0, stage 1, and stage 2. cobb is stage 1, stage 2, and stage 2.5.
if at any point, you have reached the power level you want or are comfortable with, call it done and start paying attention to other areas of the car. when increasing power, tire and brake upgrades are always a good idea.
11-16-2004, 01:03 PM
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RussB is right on target. I have an uppipe and TBE(turboback) and a Cobb stage 2. I would recomend some suspension mods and tires and brakes. I have upgraded the springs the rear swaybar and the Wheels and tires to 17". I feel now that i have enogh power to get myself into trouble very quickly. I am going to upgrade my brakes next. More power is nice but handleing and breaking is very important.