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I have a civic si coupe and lately I am getting tired of it. Its pretty much stock, I was going to do a lot of modifications to it (sleeved block, turbo, etc) but the more I think about it the more I feel like its not worth it.
I want a car with all wheel drive and factory turbo. My questions are:
What does it take to get around 350-550 whp in a 2002 wrx? (I don't mean the broad, uninformed question - I mean what can the stock parts hold - for example, a stock bseries honda engine is good for about 300whp with forced induction with the pistons and rods going shortly after)
I have heard some talk about bad tranmissions and the warrenty not covering it - whats the deal?
How much power can the stock engine hold before I need to upgrade internals? What about the transmission? Axels? other?
I am making the assumption that it would be easier to get what I want from a factory turbo car, but I really don't know much about WRXs - my knowledge lies with VWs and HONDAs.
I am starting to search around the forums, please excuse my lack of knowledge (the honda guys would have shot me for asking something like this in one of their forums)
BTW, this is my first post!
edit: If someone can point me to some examples of high horsepower WRXs I would really appriciate it.
I want a car with all wheel drive and factory turbo. My questions are:
What does it take to get around 350-550 whp in a 2002 wrx? (I don't mean the broad, uninformed question - I mean what can the stock parts hold - for example, a stock bseries honda engine is good for about 300whp with forced induction with the pistons and rods going shortly after)
I have heard some talk about bad tranmissions and the warrenty not covering it - whats the deal?
How much power can the stock engine hold before I need to upgrade internals? What about the transmission? Axels? other?
I am making the assumption that it would be easier to get what I want from a factory turbo car, but I really don't know much about WRXs - my knowledge lies with VWs and HONDAs.
I am starting to search around the forums, please excuse my lack of knowledge (the honda guys would have shot me for asking something like this in one of their forums)
BTW, this is my first post!
edit: If someone can point me to some examples of high horsepower WRXs I would really appriciate it.
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Dear god, maybe I shouldn't get a WRX.
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Does this forum usually move this slow......anyway
Does the sti six speed have the same problems? Can I replace the 2002 tranmission with the sti one and be worry free?
What is the cost of the sti transmission?
Are there any after market options? cost?
From the looks of things, all I'm reading about is tranny failure and dealer BS. I was really set on buy a subaru, but if thats how they treat their customers I'll look to some place else.
Is there anyone without transmission problems. Honda tranmissions can hold 600whp.
Does the sti six speed have the same problems? Can I replace the 2002 tranmission with the sti one and be worry free?
What is the cost of the sti transmission?
Are there any after market options? cost?
From the looks of things, all I'm reading about is tranny failure and dealer BS. I was really set on buy a subaru, but if thats how they treat their customers I'll look to some place else.
Is there anyone without transmission problems. Honda tranmissions can hold 600whp.
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Re: I drive a honda
Originally posted by saruman
I have a civic si coupe and lately I am getting tired of it. Its pretty much stock, I was going to do a lot of modifications to it (sleeved block, turbo, etc) but the more I think about it the more I feel like its not worth it.
I want a car with all wheel drive and factory turbo. My questions are:
What does it take to get around 350-550 whp in a 2002 wrx? (I don't mean the broad, uninformed question - I mean what can the stock parts hold - for example, a stock bseries honda engine is good for about 300whp with forced induction with the pistons and rods going shortly after)
I have heard some talk about bad tranmissions and the warrenty not covering it - whats the deal?
How much power can the stock engine hold before I need to upgrade internals? What about the transmission? Axels? other?
I am making the assumption that it would be easier to get what I want from a factory turbo car, but I really don't know much about WRXs - my knowledge lies with VWs and HONDAs.
I am starting to search around the forums, please excuse my lack of knowledge (the honda guys would have shot me for asking something like this in one of their forums)
BTW, this is my first post!
edit: If someone can point me to some examples of high horsepower WRXs I would really appriciate it.
I have a civic si coupe and lately I am getting tired of it. Its pretty much stock, I was going to do a lot of modifications to it (sleeved block, turbo, etc) but the more I think about it the more I feel like its not worth it.
I want a car with all wheel drive and factory turbo. My questions are:
What does it take to get around 350-550 whp in a 2002 wrx? (I don't mean the broad, uninformed question - I mean what can the stock parts hold - for example, a stock bseries honda engine is good for about 300whp with forced induction with the pistons and rods going shortly after)
I have heard some talk about bad tranmissions and the warrenty not covering it - whats the deal?
How much power can the stock engine hold before I need to upgrade internals? What about the transmission? Axels? other?
I am making the assumption that it would be easier to get what I want from a factory turbo car, but I really don't know much about WRXs - my knowledge lies with VWs and HONDAs.
I am starting to search around the forums, please excuse my lack of knowledge (the honda guys would have shot me for asking something like this in one of their forums)
BTW, this is my first post!
edit: If someone can point me to some examples of high horsepower WRXs I would really appriciate it.
I have heard some talk about bad tranmissions and the warrenty not covering it - whats the deal?
There are a few cases of actual, legitimate transmission failure. The syncros in 2 are a little sensitive, and if you try to slam your car in gear, you'll likely smash the teeth. Solution: Don't slam your car in to second gear.
Some people have also had problems with 1 snapping. Generally, and I say generally because there are many fewer cases of tranny failure resulting from bad parts than abuse, 1 fails during or after someone dumps the clutch at high rpm. See, in a FWD or RWD car, dropping the clutch usually translates in to wheel spin and all of the excess power escapes there. In the WRX, or other AWD cars, the extra power translates to a huge force on the transmission, causing, or assisting failure. Solution: Don't do 5krpm clutch drops.
It's unfortunate that there have been so many claims for warranty repair to the WRX that were obviously caused by abuse or modification, because SOA is quick to deny warranty repairs if your car has been modified in any way, to avoid being taken. Your best bet here is to either arm yourself with knowledge of the law, or if you modify your vehicle extensively and like to beat it up, prepare to pay for repairs on your own. You have to pay to play.
How much power can the stock engine hold before I need to upgrade internals? What about the transmission? Axels? other?
Not too sure here. There is one guy in my area that is pushing >= 350hp with stock internals and transmission. His car is fine. He also doesn't beat the hell out of it at the drag strip...
I am making the assumption that it would be easier to get what I want from a factory turbo car...
Well, it all depends on what you want, but if what you want is a high horsepower four cyl then factory turbo is the way to go. It's far easier to modify a car that is FI from the start, than to make an N/A car FI and modify it from there. You just need to decide which factory FI car you want - the SRT-4 has tons of power, and the '04 has LSD stock, however it's FWD, but you're used to that, so it might not be a big deal. The WRX is a bit more refined, has a bit less power, but is AWD and has EXCELLENT safety ratings, and a very mature and fun community to be a part of. For me the choice was clear, but I have different goals. Good luck.
Oh, and yes this particular forum is a tad slow, however, WRX and suby drivers comprise only a fraction of total Honda drivers, so we have less people browsing at any given time. Besides, it is a Sunday morning and not everyone is sitting at home like me
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Originally posted by saruman
Does this forum usually move this slow......anyway
Does the sti six speed have the same problems? Can I replace the 2002 tranmission with the sti one and be worry free?
What is the cost of the sti transmission?
Are there any after market options? cost?
From the looks of things, all I'm reading about is tranny failure and dealer BS. I was really set on buy a subaru, but if thats how they treat their customers I'll look to some place else.
Is there anyone without transmission problems. Honda tranmissions can hold 600whp.
Does this forum usually move this slow......anyway
Does the sti six speed have the same problems? Can I replace the 2002 tranmission with the sti one and be worry free?
What is the cost of the sti transmission?
Are there any after market options? cost?
From the looks of things, all I'm reading about is tranny failure and dealer BS. I was really set on buy a subaru, but if thats how they treat their customers I'll look to some place else.
Is there anyone without transmission problems. Honda tranmissions can hold 600whp.
Certainly the STi 6 speed will be a bit stronger than the WRX 5 speed, but I wouldn't think you'd be "worry free". If you beat your car it will break. It's a fact of life.
What is the cost of the sti transmission?
I believe the actual price simply says "Rob Bank"
Are there any after market options? cost?
As with any car that is popular with the, dare I say, "Tuner Crowd", there are multiple after market sites and options for the WRX. This site should help you find them..Clicky
From the looks of things, all I'm reading about is tranny failure and dealer BS. I was really set on buy a subaru, but if thats how they treat their customers I'll look to some place else.
See previous post about warranty claims and transmission failures.
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Originally posted by saruman
From the looks of things, all I'm reading about is tranny failure and dealer BS. I was really set on buy a subaru, but if thats how they treat their customers I'll look to some place else.
From the looks of things, all I'm reading about is tranny failure and dealer BS. I was really set on buy a subaru, but if thats how they treat their customers I'll look to some place else.
Originally posted by saruman
Is there anyone without transmission problems. Honda tranmissions can hold 600whp.
Is there anyone without transmission problems. Honda tranmissions can hold 600whp.
Do a thorough read of the transmission forum here and on NASIOC. You'll come up with a better picture on the reality of the situation.
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Thank you for your help sonicsuby.
One main reason I wanted a WRX is do to the traction issues we have with high hp fwd cars. I can't claim to know much about this car so thats why I ask - if the trasmission can't hold high rpm launches what good will it do me? Won't I be in the same place I was with a honda (slow to launch) except not from traction but from fear of breakage?
Just out of curiousity what are your goals? I do not want a drag car (if I did a set of m/t slicks would take care of my problem), I want a car that will hold and launch my desired hp goals and be friendly to my hobby. Perhaps the WRX will.
From reading this I became convinced it was a manufacturing problem with the drivetrain.
What would you call abuse to this car. My definition would be slamming the gears or clutchless shifting but I would expect it to hold a launch without stripping first.
I do intend on doing research and am very familiar with various search engines (I am currently reading several posts on serveral WRX forums) and am well aware of google, I just wanted to ask as well in an effort to minimize the time in which it takes to make a decision.
BTW, cabal I don't drive like an idiot, not all honda owners can be lumped into the same boat. Are all the drivers in the link I posted driving like idiots?
I completly agree with you. But I know people with an LSD and 22in slicks with 550+ hp with stock transmissions (other than the diff) Maybe the people you know were driving like idiots.
One main reason I wanted a WRX is do to the traction issues we have with high hp fwd cars. I can't claim to know much about this car so thats why I ask - if the trasmission can't hold high rpm launches what good will it do me? Won't I be in the same place I was with a honda (slow to launch) except not from traction but from fear of breakage?
Just out of curiousity what are your goals? I do not want a drag car (if I did a set of m/t slicks would take care of my problem), I want a car that will hold and launch my desired hp goals and be friendly to my hobby. Perhaps the WRX will.
From reading this I became convinced it was a manufacturing problem with the drivetrain.
What would you call abuse to this car. My definition would be slamming the gears or clutchless shifting but I would expect it to hold a launch without stripping first.
I do intend on doing research and am very familiar with various search engines (I am currently reading several posts on serveral WRX forums) and am well aware of google, I just wanted to ask as well in an effort to minimize the time in which it takes to make a decision.
BTW, cabal I don't drive like an idiot, not all honda owners can be lumped into the same boat. Are all the drivers in the link I posted driving like idiots?
comparing a transmission powering 2WD with an open differential to AWD with an open in the front and an LSD in the rear is like apples and oranges.
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Originally posted by saruman
Thank you for your help sonicsuby.
Just out of curiousity what are your goals?
Thank you for your help sonicsuby.
Just out of curiousity what are your goals?
What would you call abuse to this car. My definition would be slamming the gears or clutchless shifting but I would expect it to hold a launch without stripping first.

Basically, if you plan on modifying your car, plan on some problems occuring from the way you likely will drive your modified car, and from the extra power that is being channeled through the individual pieces. So far, I've got just under 9,000 miles on my '03, I've driven it VERY hard on many mountain passes and winding roads, and commute through heavy traffic daily. No problems to report.
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Hey, I used to have a 00 Flamenco Black Civic Si.... it was a great car...I auto X'ed the crap out of that car.... never broke or gave me problems too....
Did you used to post on ClubSi?...I did so I know how it is or was...you have to be a little more patient on these boards....there are more civics on the road than scoobies....ya know
and plus people on this board are more mature and actuall know what they are talking about
Did you used to post on ClubSi?...I did so I know how it is or was...you have to be a little more patient on these boards....there are more civics on the road than scoobies....ya know

and plus people on this board are more mature and actuall know what they are talking about
um. The WRX is by no means the ULTIMATE street king car.
I dunno. sheesh Go buy yourself a skyline or something
Um. You're looking for horsepower. I can tell that a 1000 dollar blown up '90 eclipse GSX plus a fully built 4g63, a standalone EMS, a huge *** IC, a huge *** fuel pump and 850 cc injectors, and some huge *** turbo from www.forcedperformance.com , and a monster built invincible dogteeth gearbox would suite you a lot better than a 20 thousand dollar WRX.
The only reason i'd get a wrx if I were you was if you had money, wanted 5 seats, and wanted a new car with no hassles. Otherwise, the wrx's abilities can be had for SO much less.
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I dunno. sheesh Go buy yourself a skyline or something

Um. You're looking for horsepower. I can tell that a 1000 dollar blown up '90 eclipse GSX plus a fully built 4g63, a standalone EMS, a huge *** IC, a huge *** fuel pump and 850 cc injectors, and some huge *** turbo from www.forcedperformance.com , and a monster built invincible dogteeth gearbox would suite you a lot better than a 20 thousand dollar WRX.
The only reason i'd get a wrx if I were you was if you had money, wanted 5 seats, and wanted a new car with no hassles. Otherwise, the wrx's abilities can be had for SO much less.
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um. The WRX is by no means the ULTIMATE street king car.
I dunno. sheesh Go buy yourself a skyline or something
Um. You're looking for horsepower. I can tell that a 1000 dollar blown up '90 eclipse GSX plus a fully built 4g63, a standalone EMS, a huge *** IC, a huge *** fuel pump and 850 cc injectors, and some huge *** turbo from www.forcedperformance.com , and a monster built invincible dogteeth gearbox would suite you a lot better than a 20 thousand dollar WRX.
The only reason i'd get a wrx if I were you was if you had money, wanted 5 seats, and wanted a new car with no hassles. Otherwise, the wrx's abilities can be had for SO much less.
my .02
um. The WRX is by no means the ULTIMATE street king car.
I dunno. sheesh Go buy yourself a skyline or something

Um. You're looking for horsepower. I can tell that a 1000 dollar blown up '90 eclipse GSX plus a fully built 4g63, a standalone EMS, a huge *** IC, a huge *** fuel pump and 850 cc injectors, and some huge *** turbo from www.forcedperformance.com , and a monster built invincible dogteeth gearbox would suite you a lot better than a 20 thousand dollar WRX.
The only reason i'd get a wrx if I were you was if you had money, wanted 5 seats, and wanted a new car with no hassles. Otherwise, the wrx's abilities can be had for SO much less.
my .02
DUH....dont give out retarted biased recepies to what YOU think the best street car is...because every one has there own "recepie" OK..... just for your info try Supra BPU+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ oh its so "huge and invincible
oh and if the skyline costed 40K instead of 80K I would own one......For your information Sir..... take a chill pill before you go off on someone next time slick


