is Subaru 5spd really that different for a beginner?
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is Subaru 5spd really that different for a beginner?
So I was trying to teach a friend of mine to drive a stick yesterday. She told me that she had driven a stick prelude before. But i said, let me get us to an open ground first. So I did and she drove like isht! 
Anyway, she said that the throttle respond on my car was WAY more sensitive than the prelude and she said that she didn't stall so many times and so easily on the prelude.
My subie is my first stick and only stick. I haven't driven other ones and I didn't learn on other ones so I can't say. The only reason I could think of why she would stall so easily it's because of the AWD. The drivetrain lost requires more 'compensation' at the initial engagement of the clutch.
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Anyway, she said that the throttle respond on my car was WAY more sensitive than the prelude and she said that she didn't stall so many times and so easily on the prelude.
My subie is my first stick and only stick. I haven't driven other ones and I didn't learn on other ones so I can't say. The only reason I could think of why she would stall so easily it's because of the AWD. The drivetrain lost requires more 'compensation' at the initial engagement of the clutch.
Any thoughts?
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I would doubt it's AWD-related. The overall procedure of driving the Subaru manual is like any other, but I've found the motion of the hydraulic clutch to be noticeably different than all the wire-operated clutches I've used in other cars. Nothing drastic, just the feel, and it only takes a little while to get used to. It's also possible your friend is just a putz.
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hmmm... this is my reasoning...
it requires more power to push all 4 instead of 2 (drivetrain lost). And i know if I hold the rpm (lets say at 1.5k) and I engage the clutch the rpm would drop. And the drop is more on an AWD vs FWD, that's why stalled easier on the subie?
I really have no clue. I mean, I could driving any other stick now and they are all the same to me. But maybe to a beginner that is still driving with her concious mind is very different. Or maybe she wasn't telling me the truth about her experience with the prelude
Who knows....
it requires more power to push all 4 instead of 2 (drivetrain lost). And i know if I hold the rpm (lets say at 1.5k) and I engage the clutch the rpm would drop. And the drop is more on an AWD vs FWD, that's why stalled easier on the subie?

I really have no clue. I mean, I could driving any other stick now and they are all the same to me. But maybe to a beginner that is still driving with her concious mind is very different. Or maybe she wasn't telling me the truth about her experience with the prelude
Who knows....
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heh when i let my friends try and learn on my impreza...it was a breeze, i was amazed at how easy it was for them. i learned on a ford mustang GT 96 and that was hell, but then the switch to a subaru gave me ease....i was amazed. Heh, it was also a worn on clutch but hey!!! it still amazed me.
all different but the same
Every brand and type of car has a different feel when shifting. I have tried everything: Ford, Chevrolet, Opel, Fiat, Peugeot, BMW, Citroen, Acura, Honda, ..., and now Subaru
However, once you learn one WELL, you will have no problem driving them all. Your friend just thought she knew how to drive a stick (IMO)
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However, once you learn one WELL, you will have no problem driving them all. Your friend just thought she knew how to drive a stick (IMO)
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i've noticied a pretty big difference b/t certian cars, my first manual was my super spectacualr '89 tercel, which was actually fairly similar in clutch feel to the subaru (not knocking the subaru but praising the tercel) after that i drove my ex's civic, which has a terrible clutch, so maybe that's why she couldn't drive the subaru, it seems like honda clutches (or maybe just hers) engage in only a very small portion of the travel (i don't think any of this is correct terminology, but hey...whatever) so i stalled in hers a couple times b4 getting the hang of it, i still don't like it, but i donno if other honda's have the same problem. the only other manual i've driven is a bmw, and those have the best transmissions in my opinion w/ my wrx coming in a very close second =P
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I would doubt it's AWD-related. The overall procedure of driving the Subaru manual is like any other, but I've found the motion of the hydraulic clutch to be noticeably different than all the wire-operated clutches I've used in other cars. Nothing drastic, just the feel, and it only takes a little while to get used to. It's also possible your friend is just a putz.
I would doubt it's AWD-related. The overall procedure of driving the Subaru manual is like any other, but I've found the motion of the hydraulic clutch to be noticeably different than all the wire-operated clutches I've used in other cars. Nothing drastic, just the feel, and it only takes a little while to get used to. It's also possible your friend is just a putz.
Hydro clutch?? ummmm, I absolutely hate them. Now, I'm sure they've gotten better over the years but a family member has a hydro clutch in his Ford pickup and I absolutely hate the feel of the thing. You can't feel the engagment point and it doesn't have any shutter to let you know that its being engaged. You sure that its pure hydraulic and not hydraulic assisted?? If it is pure hydro anyone make a swap kit over to mechanical?? I know these sound like crazy questions, but...sometimes more mechanical mechinisms (like hydro clutches) isn't the best thing on a car.
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kinda off topic, but dont ever let a girl that does not drive a stick on a daily basis drive your MT car, I let this one girl drive my 325is and the clutch smelt like **** for the longest time!..I won't let that happen in the Subaru, especially with all the transmission problems that occur anyway.
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haha! Well she only drove it once. Here is the problem... she is my gf too... But good thing she doesn't really like driving, so I am good! 

Originally posted by 02BlackWRX
kinda off topic, but dont ever let a girl that does not drive a stick on a daily basis drive your MT car, I let this one girl drive my 325is and the clutch smelt like **** for the longest time!..I won't let that happen in the Subaru, especially with all the transmission problems that occur anyway.
kinda off topic, but dont ever let a girl that does not drive a stick on a daily basis drive your MT car, I let this one girl drive my 325is and the clutch smelt like **** for the longest time!..I won't let that happen in the Subaru, especially with all the transmission problems that occur anyway.
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Originally posted by iBlueVirus
haha! Well she only drove it once. Here is the problem... she is my gf too... But good thing she doesn't really like driving, so I am good!
haha! Well she only drove it once. Here is the problem... she is my gf too... But good thing she doesn't really like driving, so I am good!
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