the ej22...and the 22b.....how waht HUH?
07-19-2004, 10:38 AM
#16
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Car Info: Mazda Protege '02 (Wishing protege has AWD and a H6 twin turbo)
The Engine:
Lesse here there is quite a bit to say about just the engine so lets get started.
Its a bored out 2.0L motor producing the 2.2L (get a closed deck for this)
Stroke = 75.0 mm / 2.95 in VS stock 75mm
Bore = 96.9 mm / 3.81 in VS stock 92mm
Redline = 7300rpm
Turbo = IHI VF23 with bearing
Probably has custom heads too so you should probably just get a race engine
god knows what that costs lol.
It has forged internals so the pistons and rods are light and strong allowing fast redline.
The Body:
It was a WRX RA shell (2 door) with small body modifications
Adjustable spoiler
Drivetrain:
STI IV type R tranny
adjustable center diff.
Suspention:
Made by Bilstein but i can't find the swaybar mm's or anything else atm
Brakes:
292mm front rotor
4pot front brakes
2pot rear brakes
(brembo?)
Wheels:
BBS 17x8.5”
Lesse here there is quite a bit to say about just the engine so lets get started.
Its a bored out 2.0L motor producing the 2.2L (get a closed deck for this)
Stroke = 75.0 mm / 2.95 in VS stock 75mm
Bore = 96.9 mm / 3.81 in VS stock 92mm
Redline = 7300rpm
Turbo = IHI VF23 with bearing
Probably has custom heads too so you should probably just get a race engine
god knows what that costs lol. It has forged internals so the pistons and rods are light and strong allowing fast redline.
The Body:
It was a WRX RA shell (2 door) with small body modifications
Adjustable spoiler
Drivetrain:
STI IV type R tranny
adjustable center diff.
Suspention:
Made by Bilstein but i can't find the swaybar mm's or anything else atm
Brakes:
292mm front rotor
4pot front brakes
2pot rear brakes
(brembo?)
Wheels:
BBS 17x8.5”
07-19-2004, 01:03 PM
#17
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hmm well then....so if i had to get this guy waht he wants......id get
1. ej22t from legacy (Closed Deck)
2. Forged pistons Condrods and Piston rings...( JE???)
3. Titainum valve springs and retainers?
4.TMIC spearco-sti? ( could it handle 17 psi???)
5. some sort of exhuast? ( 3" piping like a apexi N1 or GT spec?)
6. Tien RA suspention
7. Koyo radiator or 04' STI
8. Sparco or momo seats??? ( waht was in the 22B???)
9. Apexi SAFC and AVC-R
10. rediculously expensive and sexy 22B bodyKit
Not to mention Fuel upgrades and ignition and timing modifactions (dyno time) there is no way this car will ever NOT have down time untill its completely finished.....
i know there are other things like Silicon vac hoses and the intake ( what would you recomend for a ej22t from a legacy? )
well anything else i left out for the "conversion" please let me know i kinda rushed through it....
thanks again everyone this fourm is TONS of help!!!
1. ej22t from legacy (Closed Deck)
2. Forged pistons Condrods and Piston rings...( JE???)
3. Titainum valve springs and retainers?
4.TMIC spearco-sti? ( could it handle 17 psi???)
5. some sort of exhuast? ( 3" piping like a apexi N1 or GT spec?)
6. Tien RA suspention
7. Koyo radiator or 04' STI
8. Sparco or momo seats??? ( waht was in the 22B???)
9. Apexi SAFC and AVC-R
10. rediculously expensive and sexy 22B bodyKit
Not to mention Fuel upgrades and ignition and timing modifactions (dyno time) there is no way this car will ever NOT have down time untill its completely finished.....
i know there are other things like Silicon vac hoses and the intake ( what would you recomend for a ej22t from a legacy? )
well anything else i left out for the "conversion" please let me know i kinda rushed through it....
thanks again everyone this fourm is TONS of help!!!
07-19-2004, 01:26 PM
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Does your "friend" really want a 22b, or does he want a car that's faster and better handling? It's not hard to build a WRX to outperform a 22b, but it is very hard to faithfully reproduce one.
If you really wanted to replicate a 22b, you'd have to stick to STi and Prodrive parts all the way. You could get away with a few other things, like something from Bilstein for the suspension, but you'd want to stick to factory parts as much as possible. If so, your shopping list would look like this:
*Impreza coupe body. Strip it, prime it, and paint it to match after doing the body work.
*Bore out an EJ20G to 2.2 liters. THAT is the 22b motor, not the EJ22 from a turbo legacy. The internals are forged, so don't mess with them if you're really trying to build a 22b. Except for the overbore pistons of course, and you can probably find those fresh from Subaru somewhere overseas.
*We don't really know which heads were on it, or if they were specific to the 22b, so just use some v3-4 heads from an STi and you'd be fine. Most of the motor was standard STi, except for ECU, VF23, the 22b top mount, and maybe the radiator. As long as everything you use came from an STi nobody would hassle you too much over not being "authentic." The important things (turbo, ECU, intercooler, etc) can be found in overseas auctions because a lot of 22bs have been modified.
*All STi exhausts are pretty similar. If you threw any aftermarket turboback on the car most people would find that reasonable, since so many of them have been modified.
*Standard STi radiator is fine, unless you can find a takeoff.
*The best you could do to replicate the suspension is Prodrive's World Rally Sport for the GC/GM chassis. Coilovers wouldn't be very close to OE.
*Yeah, good luck finding 22b seats for sale. Might as well go with whatever seems appropriate.
*SAFC/AVC-R? Why? EcuTek can reflash a 22b.
*Well, no flares, no 22b of course.
Honestly, it would be a hell of a lot easier to VIN-swap an imported 22b than it would be to build one from scratch on a LHD chassis. Cheaper too.
If you really wanted to replicate a 22b, you'd have to stick to STi and Prodrive parts all the way. You could get away with a few other things, like something from Bilstein for the suspension, but you'd want to stick to factory parts as much as possible. If so, your shopping list would look like this:
*Impreza coupe body. Strip it, prime it, and paint it to match after doing the body work.
*Bore out an EJ20G to 2.2 liters. THAT is the 22b motor, not the EJ22 from a turbo legacy. The internals are forged, so don't mess with them if you're really trying to build a 22b. Except for the overbore pistons of course, and you can probably find those fresh from Subaru somewhere overseas.
*We don't really know which heads were on it, or if they were specific to the 22b, so just use some v3-4 heads from an STi and you'd be fine. Most of the motor was standard STi, except for ECU, VF23, the 22b top mount, and maybe the radiator. As long as everything you use came from an STi nobody would hassle you too much over not being "authentic." The important things (turbo, ECU, intercooler, etc) can be found in overseas auctions because a lot of 22bs have been modified.
*All STi exhausts are pretty similar. If you threw any aftermarket turboback on the car most people would find that reasonable, since so many of them have been modified.
*Standard STi radiator is fine, unless you can find a takeoff.
*The best you could do to replicate the suspension is Prodrive's World Rally Sport for the GC/GM chassis. Coilovers wouldn't be very close to OE.
*Yeah, good luck finding 22b seats for sale. Might as well go with whatever seems appropriate.
*SAFC/AVC-R? Why? EcuTek can reflash a 22b.
*Well, no flares, no 22b of course.
Honestly, it would be a hell of a lot easier to VIN-swap an imported 22b than it would be to build one from scratch on a LHD chassis. Cheaper too.
07-19-2004, 03:37 PM
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Vin Swap? what u mean..like get the VIN number from a 22B??? well i guess it would be best to build a ej22t build taht up...lets look at making 350 hp adn i would like to use a top mount intercooler unless the effeciantcy .....i have an impreza L i plan on making it look like a 22B i wont make it a "replica" you right it doesnt sound worth the money....so
from the top...
wahts the best motor to put in the impreza L?
i want a turbo and i want 350 hp
if i can use a top mount intercooler taht would be cool as well.....
now handling wise........tien RA's are the way to go???
sorry to be soo quesion happy......
thanks alot for everything...
from the top...
wahts the best motor to put in the impreza L?
i want a turbo and i want 350 hp
if i can use a top mount intercooler taht would be cool as well.....
now handling wise........tien RA's are the way to go???
sorry to be soo quesion happy......
thanks alot for everything...
07-19-2004, 07:58 PM
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Car Info: 2000 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS
Does a wrx 2.0L have oil squirters???
I myself have been thinking about a 2.2L turbo block from a legacy, but I was wanting to use the same parts as the new 2.0L (heads, cams, intake manifold, etc...). Mainly so I could have easy access to aftermarket upgrades as well as replacement parts like coils
Any ideas on this???
I myself have been thinking about a 2.2L turbo block from a legacy, but I was wanting to use the same parts as the new 2.0L (heads, cams, intake manifold, etc...). Mainly so I could have easy access to aftermarket upgrades as well as replacement parts like coils
Any ideas on this???
08-22-2004, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadSpike
The Engine:
Lesse here there is quite a bit to say about just the engine so lets get started.
Its a bored out 2.0L motor producing the 2.2L (get a closed deck for this)
Stroke = 75.0 mm / 2.95 in VS stock 75mm
Bore = 96.9 mm / 3.81 in VS stock 92mm
Redline = 7300rpm
Turbo = IHI VF23 with bearing
Probably has custom heads too so you should probably just get a race engine god knows what that costs lol.
It has forged internals so the pistons and rods are light and strong allowing fast redline.
The Body:
It was a WRX RA shell (2 door) with small body modifications
Adjustable spoiler
Drivetrain:
STI IV type R tranny
adjustable center diff.
Suspention:
Made by Bilstein but i can't find the swaybar mm's or anything else atm
Brakes:
292mm front rotor
4pot front brakes
2pot rear brakes
(brembo?)
Wheels:
BBS 17x8.5”
Lesse here there is quite a bit to say about just the engine so lets get started.
Its a bored out 2.0L motor producing the 2.2L (get a closed deck for this)
Stroke = 75.0 mm / 2.95 in VS stock 75mm
Bore = 96.9 mm / 3.81 in VS stock 92mm
Redline = 7300rpm
Turbo = IHI VF23 with bearing
Probably has custom heads too so you should probably just get a race engine
god knows what that costs lol. It has forged internals so the pistons and rods are light and strong allowing fast redline.
The Body:
It was a WRX RA shell (2 door) with small body modifications
Adjustable spoiler
Drivetrain:
STI IV type R tranny
adjustable center diff.
Suspention:
Made by Bilstein but i can't find the swaybar mm's or anything else atm
Brakes:
292mm front rotor
4pot front brakes
2pot rear brakes
(brembo?)
Wheels:
BBS 17x8.5”
The breaks were RED Subaru 4 pots now if brembo made them it was not advertised!!!
08-22-2004, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JspecGC8
The breaks were RED Subaru 4 pots now if brembo made them it was not advertised!!!
08-30-2004, 08:40 PM
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Specifications
Dimensions 4365 x 1770 x 1390mm
Tread Front / Rear 1480 / 1500mm
Vehicle Weight 1270kg
Engine 2.2 litre Boxer Master-4 DOHC Turbo
Displacement 2212cc
Bore x Stroke 96.9mm x 75.0 mm
Compression Ratio 8.0 to one
Cylinder Block Aluminium Alloy Closed Deck
Cylinder Head Aluminium alloy, dohc per bank,
4 valves per cyl, turbocharger, metal gasket,
Inner shim valve lifters
Pistons Molybdenum coating low-friction pistons
Intercooling Intercooler auto water-spray system.
Cooling STI Radiator
Fuel and ignition Multipoint fuel injection
and ignition
Max Power 276 bhp @ 6000rpm (280PS)
Max Torque 265lb ft @ 3200rpm (37kg-m)
Transmission 5-spd manual, four-wheel-drive, sintered twin clutch, shot peened gears.
Rear viscous LSD (2-way 4-pinion)
Driver controlled center differential
Gear Ratios 1st 3.083
2nd 2.062
3rd 1.545
4th 1.152
5th 0.825
Reverse 3.416
Final Drive 4.444
Super-quick shift linkage
Suspension Bilstein Strut and Eibach coil springs Front carbon strut tower bar Aluminium front lower arms
Steering Super Quick Power Steering Gear Box(13:1) with power steering fluid cooler
Brakes Vented discs front and discs rear
Wheels 17x8.5JJ BBS Alloy Wheels & Carbon Centre Caps
Tyres 235/40 ZR17 Pirelli P Zero
Body WR car-type front grill and bumper
WR car-type STi foglight cover
WR car-type body coloured side skirts
WR car-type rear bumper
WR car-type adjustable rear wing with brake light at boot level.
Aluminium Front Bonnet.
Cherry Red Front Grille Emblem (6 stars)
Front & Rear Sticker (22B-STi)
Coloured coded side under skirt, rear spoiler, bumper and front spoiler
Interior Brushed aluminium instrument panel cover
Auto air-conditioner
Brushed aluminium front console
Steering Wheel Nardi shock absorbent leather (without Air Bag)
Seats Original design Suede (Artificial) Front Bucket Seat & Rear Seat
Serial Plate Serial Number Plate<000/400>
Dimensions 4365 x 1770 x 1390mm
Tread Front / Rear 1480 / 1500mm
Vehicle Weight 1270kg
Engine 2.2 litre Boxer Master-4 DOHC Turbo
Displacement 2212cc
Bore x Stroke 96.9mm x 75.0 mm
Compression Ratio 8.0 to one
Cylinder Block Aluminium Alloy Closed Deck
Cylinder Head Aluminium alloy, dohc per bank,
4 valves per cyl, turbocharger, metal gasket,
Inner shim valve lifters
Pistons Molybdenum coating low-friction pistons
Intercooling Intercooler auto water-spray system.
Cooling STI Radiator
Fuel and ignition Multipoint fuel injection
and ignition
Max Power 276 bhp @ 6000rpm (280PS)
Max Torque 265lb ft @ 3200rpm (37kg-m)
Transmission 5-spd manual, four-wheel-drive, sintered twin clutch, shot peened gears.
Rear viscous LSD (2-way 4-pinion)
Driver controlled center differential
Gear Ratios 1st 3.083
2nd 2.062
3rd 1.545
4th 1.152
5th 0.825
Reverse 3.416
Final Drive 4.444
Super-quick shift linkage
Suspension Bilstein Strut and Eibach coil springs Front carbon strut tower bar Aluminium front lower arms
Steering Super Quick Power Steering Gear Box(13:1) with power steering fluid cooler
Brakes Vented discs front and discs rear
Wheels 17x8.5JJ BBS Alloy Wheels & Carbon Centre Caps
Tyres 235/40 ZR17 Pirelli P Zero
Body WR car-type front grill and bumper
WR car-type STi foglight cover
WR car-type body coloured side skirts
WR car-type rear bumper
WR car-type adjustable rear wing with brake light at boot level.
Aluminium Front Bonnet.
Cherry Red Front Grille Emblem (6 stars)
Front & Rear Sticker (22B-STi)
Coloured coded side under skirt, rear spoiler, bumper and front spoiler
Interior Brushed aluminium instrument panel cover
Auto air-conditioner
Brushed aluminium front console
Steering Wheel Nardi shock absorbent leather (without Air Bag)
Seats Original design Suede (Artificial) Front Bucket Seat & Rear Seat
Serial Plate Serial Number Plate<000/400>
08-30-2004, 08:46 PM
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Subaru Impreza 22B STi Type R
"The result is a sports coupe that seeks to deliver the highest level of performance for road use"
- STi President Mr Yamada.
Background
The first Subaru Impreza was revealed by Fuji Heavy Industries (FHI) at the November 1992 Tokyo Motorshow, as a car with a definite motor-sport orientation towards the World Rally Championship (WRC) circuit, up against the likes of Ford Escort, Mitsubishi Lancer and Toyota Celica. The previous steed up until this date had been the much larger Legacy.
WRC success came in 1995 when an Impreza driven by Colin McRae won both the Driver's Championship and along with Carlos Sainz, the Manufacturer's championship. The Manufacturer's championship was again won in 1996 and also 1997 which saw a new Impreza built in the UK by Prodrive to the newly introduced World Rally Car formula.
To celebrate the 40th anniversary of Subaru, a limited run road going WRCar was announced to the unsuspecting world at the 1997 Tokyo Motor Show. It would be based on the newly released Version 4 Type R Coupe but would have a larger engine with more torque and the bodywork would be highly modified to give it the appearance of the current WRC rally cars of then current drivers, Colin McRae and Pierro Liatti.
The car itself had started some months before as an in house project for Prodrive as a basis of a super Impreza for the road. This was shown to Fuji officials as a road going concept, but due to lack of resource or maybe a wish to bring the project in house it was wholly taken over by STi for manufacture in Japan.
Exact details to the public remained sketchy until nearer the March 1998 release date with rumours of sequential gear boxes, twin turbos and a 2.5 litre engine circulating the internet news groups and mailing lists. By February it had been established that a 2.2 litre engine was to be used and the name had now changed from WRCar to 22B. Magazine articles started to appear with rumours of 350 bhp in place of the Japanese gentlemans agreement of 278bhp.
It has been said that when the launch did happen, the allocation of 400 cars sold out within 30 minutes, with over 6000 deposits being taken, and cars were then going for speculative amounts. Contradictory to this, others have said that cars were sitting in showrooms unsold after an initial rush. Priced at 5 million Yen, they were approximately two thirds more expensive than the WRX STi type R version 4 (3 million Yen) they were based upon. At the time this equated to around £23,500 which was a lot less than the £40-50,000 being asked by UK importers for the privilege of owning one! Subaru Japan awarded Colin McRae and Nicky Grist one each for their achievements in the World Rally Championship.
A total of 425 cars were produced, and although only 399 were officially built for Japans domestic market another 26 were assembled for overseas distributors. Colin McRae and his co-drive Nicky Grist received a car each and these were both numbered 000/400. There is also a third car with 000/400 which is the development car owned by David Lapworth, Technical Director at Prodrive. Unlucky number 13 was thought not to have been produced but it has now been confirmed this 22B exists as a demonstrator for Subaru USA. Of the "missing" 22, it is known that five off 22B have been imported to Australia as show or competition vehicles, whilst the United Kingdom was awarded 16 off cars to be rebadged 22B-UK.
Production process
The 22B is a limited edition Impreza based upon the Japanese domestic WRX STi Type R version 4 Coupe. During its transformation the bodyshell, parts and engine are removed from the standard Impreza production line no less than 6 times, and 3 different facilities used for modification.
1. The car starts off as a donor shell from an Impreza WRX STi type R version 4 Coupe.
2. STi then modifies the front and rear wheel arches by cutting away the existing ones and rewelding and extending them so that the body is some 80mm wider.
3. The body is then seam welded and repainted by a specialist (as the body is too wide and does not fit through the normal painting production line at Subaru)
4. STi takes the engine and bores out the normal 2 litre lump to 2.2 litres. This will allow more torque at lower revs.
5. The clutch plate and disk are replaced with an STI ceramic/metal twin plate competition clutch with dumpers, for better release action.
6. The suspension is replaced with a special Bilstein and Eibach set, (much firmer than the normal one), and the track is widened to suit the wide body.
7. WRC styling is added by the addition of a huge adjustable rear wing, a front bumper that looks like it has bene lifted strainght from the WRC, and different engine bay bonnet vents again copying the WRC. These modifications produce a replica to the WRC car.
8. Finally the car is fitted with a unique blue interior and aluminium alloy BBS wheels.
"The result is a sports coupe that seeks to deliver the highest level of performance for road use"
- STi President Mr Yamada.
Background
The first Subaru Impreza was revealed by Fuji Heavy Industries (FHI) at the November 1992 Tokyo Motorshow, as a car with a definite motor-sport orientation towards the World Rally Championship (WRC) circuit, up against the likes of Ford Escort, Mitsubishi Lancer and Toyota Celica. The previous steed up until this date had been the much larger Legacy.
WRC success came in 1995 when an Impreza driven by Colin McRae won both the Driver's Championship and along with Carlos Sainz, the Manufacturer's championship. The Manufacturer's championship was again won in 1996 and also 1997 which saw a new Impreza built in the UK by Prodrive to the newly introduced World Rally Car formula.
To celebrate the 40th anniversary of Subaru, a limited run road going WRCar was announced to the unsuspecting world at the 1997 Tokyo Motor Show. It would be based on the newly released Version 4 Type R Coupe but would have a larger engine with more torque and the bodywork would be highly modified to give it the appearance of the current WRC rally cars of then current drivers, Colin McRae and Pierro Liatti.
The car itself had started some months before as an in house project for Prodrive as a basis of a super Impreza for the road. This was shown to Fuji officials as a road going concept, but due to lack of resource or maybe a wish to bring the project in house it was wholly taken over by STi for manufacture in Japan.
Exact details to the public remained sketchy until nearer the March 1998 release date with rumours of sequential gear boxes, twin turbos and a 2.5 litre engine circulating the internet news groups and mailing lists. By February it had been established that a 2.2 litre engine was to be used and the name had now changed from WRCar to 22B. Magazine articles started to appear with rumours of 350 bhp in place of the Japanese gentlemans agreement of 278bhp.
It has been said that when the launch did happen, the allocation of 400 cars sold out within 30 minutes, with over 6000 deposits being taken, and cars were then going for speculative amounts. Contradictory to this, others have said that cars were sitting in showrooms unsold after an initial rush. Priced at 5 million Yen, they were approximately two thirds more expensive than the WRX STi type R version 4 (3 million Yen) they were based upon. At the time this equated to around £23,500 which was a lot less than the £40-50,000 being asked by UK importers for the privilege of owning one! Subaru Japan awarded Colin McRae and Nicky Grist one each for their achievements in the World Rally Championship.
A total of 425 cars were produced, and although only 399 were officially built for Japans domestic market another 26 were assembled for overseas distributors. Colin McRae and his co-drive Nicky Grist received a car each and these were both numbered 000/400. There is also a third car with 000/400 which is the development car owned by David Lapworth, Technical Director at Prodrive. Unlucky number 13 was thought not to have been produced but it has now been confirmed this 22B exists as a demonstrator for Subaru USA. Of the "missing" 22, it is known that five off 22B have been imported to Australia as show or competition vehicles, whilst the United Kingdom was awarded 16 off cars to be rebadged 22B-UK.
Production process
The 22B is a limited edition Impreza based upon the Japanese domestic WRX STi Type R version 4 Coupe. During its transformation the bodyshell, parts and engine are removed from the standard Impreza production line no less than 6 times, and 3 different facilities used for modification.
1. The car starts off as a donor shell from an Impreza WRX STi type R version 4 Coupe.
2. STi then modifies the front and rear wheel arches by cutting away the existing ones and rewelding and extending them so that the body is some 80mm wider.
3. The body is then seam welded and repainted by a specialist (as the body is too wide and does not fit through the normal painting production line at Subaru)
4. STi takes the engine and bores out the normal 2 litre lump to 2.2 litres. This will allow more torque at lower revs.
5. The clutch plate and disk are replaced with an STI ceramic/metal twin plate competition clutch with dumpers, for better release action.
6. The suspension is replaced with a special Bilstein and Eibach set, (much firmer than the normal one), and the track is widened to suit the wide body.
7. WRC styling is added by the addition of a huge adjustable rear wing, a front bumper that looks like it has bene lifted strainght from the WRC, and different engine bay bonnet vents again copying the WRC. These modifications produce a replica to the WRC car.
8. Finally the car is fitted with a unique blue interior and aluminium alloy BBS wheels.
09-01-2004, 01:01 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by suberacer
4. STi takes the engine and bores out the normal 2 litre lump to 2.2 litres. This will allow more torque at lower revs.