why so cheap??
why so cheap??
just browsing ebay, found this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2442467236
That's wierd, isn't it??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2442467236
That's wierd, isn't it??
99 percent of the time I see a private auction on ebay they never repsond to my requests to be able to bid.
Although I'm sure that car will go up quite a bit before its done.
Although I'm sure that car will go up quite a bit before its done.
wierd...didn't say that before...it WAS a 2002 M3 for 25,000
I emailed the seller...he sent this:
Hello There,
Thank you for your interest in purchasing my car. First of all I must inform you that currently I'm in Amsterdam, Holland and I have to let you know that the 2002 BMW M3 car is here with me and it is in a perfect condition. I am the first owner of the car. I bought it directly from BMW factory from Germany. The car it has a clear title which you will receive it with the car. It can be registered into your name, so stay cool about this.
I have to tell you that I have other serious offers that I have to consider and I will make a decision regarding this sale function or time of payment and price. I want to tell you that I've choosed this type of sale to escape by the nonpaying possible bidders.
The car is as new, with no scratches and it was never involved in an accident. The paint looks just as new, the car was always garaged. I sell this amazing car because I want to buy in 2 weeks the new BMW 6 Series. As options, the car has all premium packages, premium sound, bixenon headlights etc.
I bought the car with the intention to bring it back with me in the US, but I will stay a longer time here and it is time to make a change for my car. I ordered the car set up especially for the US market. The car is US street legal, does not need any conversion and it meets all DOT and EPA regulations. It has a miles odometer, etc.
This is the reason that I want to sell the car in USA because German people do not like it prepared this way. The other offers that I have are also from the US. The warranty is valid in USA and it is extended international warranty for 5 years, from bumper to bumper.
The price I hope to obtain is USD 25.000 (this price includes the shipping and insurance) and if you agree with this price we can start to complete the transaction.
For payment I can offer you 2 possibilities:
1. The first payment method is by using a money order service. I prefer money order because in this way I will ship the M3 in the same day you make the payment. During the time I learned that the best deals are closed when the risk involved is minimum.
You will arrange payment through Western Union (www.WesternUnion.com). In case you want to ship you the car right now you have to make me a confirmation for 20% of the amount of money (USD 5000) and after you receive and inspect the BMW you have to send
me the rest of the money.The inspection period for it is 5 days.
I have something safe for you because I want you to be sure that you will receive the car and I hope we will collaborate in future too.
Look what I can do for you:
- You will make the transfer to my location but not to my name (you will use your best friends name for example as receiver's name) so you can be sure that I will not pick up the money until you get the car. So you make a deposit at Western Union and you will give me the transfer's details (MTCN, SENDER'S NAME, RECEIVER'S NAME) so I can check that the deposit was made. After I verify I will send you the car immediately.
- Only after you will receive the car and check it if it ok you will have to change the receiver's name of the transfer to my name so I can collect my money. So until you will have the car in your hands the money will be deposited on your best friend's name at Western
Union agent.
I think it is better to not inform Western Union that you will change the receiver's name in a few days because it is possible they ask you to pay the fees twice (fees that are quite big for such an amount). When you will go to the Western Union office to wire the money sometimes they ask you why are you doing that. If you will tell them that they are for something you have bought, I will have to pay when I pick up the money a very expensive tax for making commerce. Please say you send the money to your friends or to your
partner.
I emailed the seller...he sent this:
Hello There,
Thank you for your interest in purchasing my car. First of all I must inform you that currently I'm in Amsterdam, Holland and I have to let you know that the 2002 BMW M3 car is here with me and it is in a perfect condition. I am the first owner of the car. I bought it directly from BMW factory from Germany. The car it has a clear title which you will receive it with the car. It can be registered into your name, so stay cool about this.
I have to tell you that I have other serious offers that I have to consider and I will make a decision regarding this sale function or time of payment and price. I want to tell you that I've choosed this type of sale to escape by the nonpaying possible bidders.
The car is as new, with no scratches and it was never involved in an accident. The paint looks just as new, the car was always garaged. I sell this amazing car because I want to buy in 2 weeks the new BMW 6 Series. As options, the car has all premium packages, premium sound, bixenon headlights etc.
I bought the car with the intention to bring it back with me in the US, but I will stay a longer time here and it is time to make a change for my car. I ordered the car set up especially for the US market. The car is US street legal, does not need any conversion and it meets all DOT and EPA regulations. It has a miles odometer, etc.
This is the reason that I want to sell the car in USA because German people do not like it prepared this way. The other offers that I have are also from the US. The warranty is valid in USA and it is extended international warranty for 5 years, from bumper to bumper.
The price I hope to obtain is USD 25.000 (this price includes the shipping and insurance) and if you agree with this price we can start to complete the transaction.
For payment I can offer you 2 possibilities:
1. The first payment method is by using a money order service. I prefer money order because in this way I will ship the M3 in the same day you make the payment. During the time I learned that the best deals are closed when the risk involved is minimum.
You will arrange payment through Western Union (www.WesternUnion.com). In case you want to ship you the car right now you have to make me a confirmation for 20% of the amount of money (USD 5000) and after you receive and inspect the BMW you have to send
me the rest of the money.The inspection period for it is 5 days.
I have something safe for you because I want you to be sure that you will receive the car and I hope we will collaborate in future too.
Look what I can do for you:
- You will make the transfer to my location but not to my name (you will use your best friends name for example as receiver's name) so you can be sure that I will not pick up the money until you get the car. So you make a deposit at Western Union and you will give me the transfer's details (MTCN, SENDER'S NAME, RECEIVER'S NAME) so I can check that the deposit was made. After I verify I will send you the car immediately.
- Only after you will receive the car and check it if it ok you will have to change the receiver's name of the transfer to my name so I can collect my money. So until you will have the car in your hands the money will be deposited on your best friend's name at Western
Union agent.
I think it is better to not inform Western Union that you will change the receiver's name in a few days because it is possible they ask you to pay the fees twice (fees that are quite big for such an amount). When you will go to the Western Union office to wire the money sometimes they ask you why are you doing that. If you will tell them that they are for something you have bought, I will have to pay when I pick up the money a very expensive tax for making commerce. Please say you send the money to your friends or to your
partner.
continued...
Also, I can accept 2500$ through from the amount prior and in this case I will take you as a serious and possible buyer and arrange a further deal but in this case you have to come in person to the car's location to see the car and take it back with you or you can send a
friend or agent that lives near by to inspect the car and pay the rest of the money.
If you are agree with this method you can transfer the 2500$ from your home using your credit card via phone calling 1-800 CALL CASH service of Western Union that is a free of charge phone number and is available 24 H a day.
After you've completed the transfer you will receive a confirmation that will allow me to track the transfer. Here are the details that I need:
- Sender's Name and address
- Receiver's name will be me
- Exact amount wired
- MTCN # (10 digits)
- If it is possible a scanned copy of the receipt format .JPEG for me to add to the files
As soon as the payment will be confirmed and the money properly sent, I ill IMMEDIATELY proceed with shipping if you sent me the 20% of the amount or I will hold the car for you if you've deposited only 2500$.
In case you've payed the 20% of money I will ship the car via Lufthansa Airplane Cargo insured and it will take 72 hours until you will have it at your door. The shipping is free. The shipping taxes will cost arround USD 2600, but of course that I will cover them.
The 20% of payment are fully refundable if for any reason you do not accept the car or if the car has scratches, hidden defects, or it is not as advertised. I will even pay for the shipping back to my location if you reject the car but since it is a state of the art BMW and works and looks perfectly I think it would get to this.
Here is my name and address you need for the Western Union transfer:
First Name: Norbert
Last Name: Leitner
Address: Stadhouderskade 25
City: Amsterdam
Postal Code(ZIP): 1015 GG
Country: Holland (Netherlands)
2. The other way to make the payment would be by wire transfer. I have a friend who has an import-export company here in Holland. He can help me by letting me receive the funds in his US bank account. You will have to make a bank wire transfer for you bank account into my friend's bank account for USD 10,000 (40% of the total amount). Once the money will be there i will proceed with the shipping like described earlier. The inspection will be the same (5 days).
In this case the fees you will have to pay will be lower but the process will be slower. I am comfortable with both possibilities.
If you agree with these terms,let me know and I will be more than glad to start to complete the transaction with you.
Thank you and I hope that you will have the pleasure to drive this car!
Kind regards,
Norbert Leitner
P.S: I can send you more pictures if you want.
Also, I can accept 2500$ through from the amount prior and in this case I will take you as a serious and possible buyer and arrange a further deal but in this case you have to come in person to the car's location to see the car and take it back with you or you can send a
friend or agent that lives near by to inspect the car and pay the rest of the money.
If you are agree with this method you can transfer the 2500$ from your home using your credit card via phone calling 1-800 CALL CASH service of Western Union that is a free of charge phone number and is available 24 H a day.
After you've completed the transfer you will receive a confirmation that will allow me to track the transfer. Here are the details that I need:
- Sender's Name and address
- Receiver's name will be me
- Exact amount wired
- MTCN # (10 digits)
- If it is possible a scanned copy of the receipt format .JPEG for me to add to the files
As soon as the payment will be confirmed and the money properly sent, I ill IMMEDIATELY proceed with shipping if you sent me the 20% of the amount or I will hold the car for you if you've deposited only 2500$.
In case you've payed the 20% of money I will ship the car via Lufthansa Airplane Cargo insured and it will take 72 hours until you will have it at your door. The shipping is free. The shipping taxes will cost arround USD 2600, but of course that I will cover them.
The 20% of payment are fully refundable if for any reason you do not accept the car or if the car has scratches, hidden defects, or it is not as advertised. I will even pay for the shipping back to my location if you reject the car but since it is a state of the art BMW and works and looks perfectly I think it would get to this.
Here is my name and address you need for the Western Union transfer:
First Name: Norbert
Last Name: Leitner
Address: Stadhouderskade 25
City: Amsterdam
Postal Code(ZIP): 1015 GG
Country: Holland (Netherlands)
2. The other way to make the payment would be by wire transfer. I have a friend who has an import-export company here in Holland. He can help me by letting me receive the funds in his US bank account. You will have to make a bank wire transfer for you bank account into my friend's bank account for USD 10,000 (40% of the total amount). Once the money will be there i will proceed with the shipping like described earlier. The inspection will be the same (5 days).
In this case the fees you will have to pay will be lower but the process will be slower. I am comfortable with both possibilities.
If you agree with these terms,let me know and I will be more than glad to start to complete the transaction with you.
Thank you and I hope that you will have the pleasure to drive this car!
Kind regards,
Norbert Leitner
P.S: I can send you more pictures if you want.
This has SCAM written all over it.
The whole deal about sending the money western union and using a friends name, please. All he would have to do is get a fake ID with the friends name on it and present it to WU and tell them who wired the money and its his. and you would have no idea of his true identity, no car, no money, and no recourse.
The whole deal about sending the money western union and using a friends name, please. All he would have to do is get a fake ID with the friends name on it and present it to WU and tell them who wired the money and its his. and you would have no idea of his true identity, no car, no money, and no recourse.
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Originally posted by Choku Dori
You know what says "scam"? Being willing to sell an M3 for the new 6 series
You know what says "scam"? Being willing to sell an M3 for the new 6 series
Scams like this one with a foreign owner and car have been going around eBay alot lately. The car and/or seller are invariably overseas, and the VIN # usually turn out to be fakes.
The fact that it got pulled so fast means that eBay or various anti-fraud agencies are on top of it.
The fact that it got pulled so fast means that eBay or various anti-fraud agencies are on top of it.
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