Pontiac GTO
For those ripping on burnouts. You must have never done one, it is a blast to have a car that can tear your rear tires to shreads.:banana: The GTO is a great car, I am actually trying to talk my mom into getting one for a daily driver so that she dosnt put so many miles on her Jag. I ran one at the local strip last weekend, the guy said that the car couldnt hook up worth sh*t. Here is his run:
R/T: .679
60: 2.260
330: 6.104
1/8: 9.166
MPH: 81.64
1000: 11.819
1/4: 14.047
MPH: 102.29
Needles to say, I beat him, and I bogged the launch.
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R/T: .679
60: 2.260
330: 6.104
1/8: 9.166
MPH: 81.64
1000: 11.819
1/4: 14.047
MPH: 102.29
Needles to say, I beat him, and I bogged the launch.
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I think it looks great, and I wouldn't mind having one. Before buying my WRX, my previous weekend toy was a 2000 Z28 6-speed. That car was pretty damn fast with only a Borla catback, whisper lid and K&N filter. The LS1 is awesome. My scooby is fun, but I gotta tell ya, I miss being able to chirp the tires and kick the *** end out hitting 3rd gear. Plus, just the raw torque and brute force of that car was so much fun. Not to mention, when you went ***** out it was really loud and sounded very mean... I'd consider buying something like that GTO or maybe the next gen Mustang in the future. It's all good, being a car enthusiast means you can like all sorts of different cars for different reasons. 
The STi and EVO are awesome cars for the $, but they represent a specific category of cars. Just because the EVO can perform in a similar fashion to, let's say, a 911 Porsche... doesn't mean I'd rather drive an EVO than the 911.
Often times driving experience is more important than raw HP, 1/4 times, or track #s. There is a local guy here in Utah that tends to leave his STi at home and bring his Mini Cooper S to the Subaru meets. Sure, I can pass that Mini easily on a straightaway with my Stage 2 WRX, but when we hit the twisties he is GONE, leading a line of Subies though the mountains. That car is a great example of something not particularly fast, but just plain fun to drive. Ahh well, I'm rambling.

The STi and EVO are awesome cars for the $, but they represent a specific category of cars. Just because the EVO can perform in a similar fashion to, let's say, a 911 Porsche... doesn't mean I'd rather drive an EVO than the 911.
Often times driving experience is more important than raw HP, 1/4 times, or track #s. There is a local guy here in Utah that tends to leave his STi at home and bring his Mini Cooper S to the Subaru meets. Sure, I can pass that Mini easily on a straightaway with my Stage 2 WRX, but when we hit the twisties he is GONE, leading a line of Subies though the mountains. That car is a great example of something not particularly fast, but just plain fun to drive. Ahh well, I'm rambling.
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First the GTO is ugly. But I'm glad to see GM starting to realize there is a market for horsepower. Now if they just built something that was a little more competitive with SRT-4 and did it better, then I would think GM has finally acheived enlightenment.
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Well, it seems to me that GM is filling a hole left by the end of the Camaro/Firebird production. The GTO being a 2-door RWD V8 gives them something in the <$50,000 (Corvette) range for performance oriented drivers. It appears they are making a slightly better run at the sport compact market with the Cobalt that I've seen. It's essentially the next gen Cavalier although if you look at the interior, exterior and horsepower it's not a bad package if you want something domestic. I'd buy an SRT-4 before that thing in a heartbeat though. Even if GM or Ford came out with a really competitive sport compact tomorrow, I suspect they'd have an uphill battle. They have just never really had much of a presence in the market segment, and aftermarket support would probably be hesitant. If you look at what Dodge has accomplished with the SRT-4 though, there is definitely potential. They're going to have to deliver something competitive, and it's hard to say if that will ever happen. I look at the Cobalt and it screams something that a 20 year old girl would buy (no offense, ladies
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I think the GTO is a good idea for GM and is a good performance car. But to me it's an American car, which = pieces falling or breaking off in a few years. My opinion is that I would rather have a japanese car that's going to be built right and not have many problems.
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Well, that's the thing... it's NOT an American car. It's an Austrailian car imported over here with very minor changes. I haven't driven one so I cannot talk about the quality of materials, but it's definitely not fair to assume that it is bad. Have you seen the interior pics? It sure doesn't look like any American car I've ever seen inside. This is not your everyday GM that we've been offered over here for years. And I challenge you to tell me when you've seen parts falling off an LS1?
I will take an LS1 and T56 tranny any day for reliability...
I will take an LS1 and T56 tranny any day for reliability...
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Now if they just built something that was a little more competitive with SRT-4 and did it better, then I would think GM has finally acheived enlightenment.
Now if they just built something that was a little more competitive with SRT-4 and did it better, then I would think GM has finally acheived enlightenment.
who's next? ford? i think american cars should stick with what they do best. either loud, rude, fat overbearingly powerful trucks or rear wheel drive burnout machines.
thats just my opinion.
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Originally posted by 2003WRX
Well, that's the thing... it's NOT an American car.
it's definitely not fair to assume that it is bad.
This is not your everyday GM that we've been offered over here for years.
Well, that's the thing... it's NOT an American car.
it's definitely not fair to assume that it is bad.
This is not your everyday GM that we've been offered over here for years.
and YES it is fair to assume its bad- however it probably isn't.
although i am not a fan of the exterior styling(which by the way
is totally out of character with pontiacs fame with ugly styling)
i think the car has a lot of potential to become a "resurected" icon. my thumbs up to a company whose stock hasn't exactly enjoyed a huge surge in quality products as of recent. hopefully this car lives up to all the hype. if i had the money to throw around i'd buy it just to have something pontiac rear wheel drive other than the pig nosed trans am they put out seceral years ago.
and as far as specs go... who cares? this car was not designed to carve corners. it was simply designed to provide fat greedy americans with a car that says "i'll handle terribly and eat gas at the same time."
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heh, yeah and fat greedy Austrailians as well apparently.
The Monaro (as the GTO is named down under) is not a new vehicle. They've been enjoying their "muscle car" Monaro since 1968 I believe...? I really don't know how much American influence (if any) the car has had. It would be interesting to find out though...
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...?modelid=12001
PS - My 2000 Z28 with the LS1 got 30mpg on the highway and about 18-20 around town. Overall, a better average than my WRX.
The Monaro (as the GTO is named down under) is not a new vehicle. They've been enjoying their "muscle car" Monaro since 1968 I believe...? I really don't know how much American influence (if any) the car has had. It would be interesting to find out though... http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...?modelid=12001
PS - My 2000 Z28 with the LS1 got 30mpg on the highway and about 18-20 around town. Overall, a better average than my WRX.
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When the GTO came out in 1964 it was based of a Le Mans. The car looked exactly like the cheap Le Mans and did for its entire life (with exception of the Judge). But it had a much bigger motor, and other performace parts (shifter, gauges, tires, etc.). That is what is going on now, it is an average FWD looking Grand Prix, but it really is a RWD that runs the 1/4 alot quicker and has a much bigger fun factor. I am glad the Pontiac didnt take the GTO a step back and go retro. They took a step forward and went with a reliable chassis, renowned powerplant, and conservative styling. If you look at it realisticly it is a quick fix for the death of the Trans Am. Within the next few years when it comes with the LS6 motor and some other upgrades the people ******* it will change their mind. Also wait till these cars get tuned, look how fast the f-bodys were with a few bolt ons.
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