Mazda 3 --> a bit more discussion
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From: The Hunted Forest
Car Info: Mazda Protege '02 (Wishing protege has AWD and a H6 twin turbo)
I own the old Mazda 3 aka Protege ES 2.0L. While the car has handling that prolly rivals or maybe even beats the wrx its lack of definite hp is its incredible downfall.
Having driven my car for more than a year and test driven both the wrx and sti. I can surely say that my car though decent at its speed lacks the ***** it takes to really compete in ANY race.
Here's a listin of estimated times for my car
0-60 9 seconds
1/4mile 17 seconds
Having driven my car for more than a year and test driven both the wrx and sti. I can surely say that my car though decent at its speed lacks the ***** it takes to really compete in ANY race.
Here's a listin of estimated times for my car
0-60 9 seconds
1/4mile 17 seconds
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From: Coquitlam
Car Info: 1985 Corolla AE82 FWD
The Mazda 3 is WAY ahead of the Protege. They've made a lot of changes and improvements (heh, it's a whole different car) that make the car handle WAY different than the Protege. Not to mention that the 3 is also faster.
But either way, WRX is gonna kick Mazda 3 butt for the most part
but by how much is the question.
But either way, WRX is gonna kick Mazda 3 butt for the most part
but by how much is the question.
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Car Info: Mazda Protege '02 (Wishing protege has AWD and a H6 twin turbo)
hell yeah the wrx will kick the mazda 3 butt. A turbo'ed version of my car picks up 2 seconds in the quarter mile but thats still 15's
I believe the 2.3L is only 160hp compared to my 140hp
I believe the 2.3L is only 160hp compared to my 140hp
Having sold my WRX to buy a Mazda 3, I figure I'll chime in here.
The 3 I got is a 2.3L hatchback. Leather, side airbags, xenon headlights, 5 speed manual.
Keep in mind the following comments come from someone who has had (or had regular access to) big horsepower cars since 1984.
The 2.3 in this car is a really good engine. The frigging miracle of variable valve timing allows this thing to have power everywhere. It will suck the headlights out of a standard WRX in a sub-3000 rpm acceleration contest. It pulls happily from just 1300rpm. As it works its way up the rev range, you can feel the variable timing working the cams and there seem to be changes at 3800rpm, 4500rpm, and again at 5500rpm. At 5500rpm+, it gets very hard edged and VTEC like. Great top end pull. Overall, its one of the best engines I've ever driven, despite its seemingly modest 160hp rating.
The only way it really compares to the EJ25 is low end. An EJ25 has an advantage to around 3500-4000rpm or so, but then this engine revs off into the distance. Again, thankyou variable valve timing.
As far as the rest of the car is concerned, it has very stiff body structure, its quiet, rides well, has almost no brake dive at all, corners very flat, transitions well, and has very quick steering. The shifter is better than any standard 5mt WRX could ever be. Gearing is spot on for the power curve. Mileage ranges from a low of 22.6 to a high of 30.2.
Demerits are issued for some front wheel clomp over rough roads, super dusty rear brake pads, some emission control issues which result in (harmless) CELs, and expensive to replace Eagle RS-A's. It desperately needs a limited slip diff; the 2.3 has a good dose of grunt down low and its a wheelspinner (and wheelhopper). Save us, Quaife. Mazda 3 bulletin boards are utterly useless, save for a handful of savvy tech oriented guys mainly located in the car audio area.
I've had mine for almost 2500miles, and have not regretted the purchase one single bit.
Cheers,
-Mirror
The 3 I got is a 2.3L hatchback. Leather, side airbags, xenon headlights, 5 speed manual.
Keep in mind the following comments come from someone who has had (or had regular access to) big horsepower cars since 1984.
The 2.3 in this car is a really good engine. The frigging miracle of variable valve timing allows this thing to have power everywhere. It will suck the headlights out of a standard WRX in a sub-3000 rpm acceleration contest. It pulls happily from just 1300rpm. As it works its way up the rev range, you can feel the variable timing working the cams and there seem to be changes at 3800rpm, 4500rpm, and again at 5500rpm. At 5500rpm+, it gets very hard edged and VTEC like. Great top end pull. Overall, its one of the best engines I've ever driven, despite its seemingly modest 160hp rating.
The only way it really compares to the EJ25 is low end. An EJ25 has an advantage to around 3500-4000rpm or so, but then this engine revs off into the distance. Again, thankyou variable valve timing.
As far as the rest of the car is concerned, it has very stiff body structure, its quiet, rides well, has almost no brake dive at all, corners very flat, transitions well, and has very quick steering. The shifter is better than any standard 5mt WRX could ever be. Gearing is spot on for the power curve. Mileage ranges from a low of 22.6 to a high of 30.2.
Demerits are issued for some front wheel clomp over rough roads, super dusty rear brake pads, some emission control issues which result in (harmless) CELs, and expensive to replace Eagle RS-A's. It desperately needs a limited slip diff; the 2.3 has a good dose of grunt down low and its a wheelspinner (and wheelhopper). Save us, Quaife. Mazda 3 bulletin boards are utterly useless, save for a handful of savvy tech oriented guys mainly located in the car audio area.
I've had mine for almost 2500miles, and have not regretted the purchase one single bit.
Cheers,
-Mirror
Last edited by The Mirror; Apr 28, 2004 at 08:26 AM.
Just FYI, the maza 3 is basicly a better looking focus. Not a big fan of ford, although the focus is pretty nice, but I wouldn't trade my RS for one.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
That's interesting because the Mazda 3 is, in all essentials, a Focus—not the current model, but the new small Ford that appears in Europe as the C-Max minivan this autumn and worldwide as a five-door hatchback in 2004.
Last edited by Crashmaxx; Apr 28, 2004 at 11:27 AM.
I'm surprised at that statement from Car and Driver, because it really isn't true at all. The Mazda 3 only shares 42% of its content with the upcoming Focus, most of that being platform, structural, some common suspension components. Everything else is unique to Mazda.
-Mirror
-Mirror
Here ya go, the detailed explanation.
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...ighlight=adieu
-Mirror
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...ighlight=adieu
-Mirror
Originally posted by dugrant153
Wow... traded in your WRX for a Mazda 3?
May we ask why you traded in your WRX? Are you in an area that doesn't get a lot of rain and snow?
Wow... traded in your WRX for a Mazda 3?
May we ask why you traded in your WRX? Are you in an area that doesn't get a lot of rain and snow?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dugrant153
[B]
Anyways, I'm more thinking of a used Impreza vs a new Mazda 3. Hence all this comparison stuff.
If you're looking at a used Impreza vs a new 3 do take this into consideration. The money you save on buying the used car, you can invest into upgrades for it. I'm sure a few well thought out engine and chassis mods will have that 3 in the dust.
[B]
Anyways, I'm more thinking of a used Impreza vs a new Mazda 3. Hence all this comparison stuff.
If you're looking at a used Impreza vs a new 3 do take this into consideration. The money you save on buying the used car, you can invest into upgrades for it. I'm sure a few well thought out engine and chassis mods will have that 3 in the dust.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by boxstahboy
[B]
That's what I've been thinking as of recent. Get affordable transportation for now... then make it fun when income starts to increase and payments start to decrease. 
Having a new car does make it has that "ownership" feel. And atleast you have the knowledge of knowing the car was properly broken in... but a used car wasn't, then it'd probably have problems during a test drive, right?
[B]
Originally posted by dugrant153
Anyways, I'm more thinking of a used Impreza vs a new Mazda 3. Hence all this comparison stuff.
If you're looking at a used Impreza vs a new 3 do take this into consideration. The money you save on buying the used car, you can invest into upgrades for it. I'm sure a few well thought out engine and chassis mods will have that 3 in the dust.
Anyways, I'm more thinking of a used Impreza vs a new Mazda 3. Hence all this comparison stuff.
If you're looking at a used Impreza vs a new 3 do take this into consideration. The money you save on buying the used car, you can invest into upgrades for it. I'm sure a few well thought out engine and chassis mods will have that 3 in the dust.

Having a new car does make it has that "ownership" feel. And atleast you have the knowledge of knowing the car was properly broken in... but a used car wasn't, then it'd probably have problems during a test drive, right?
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