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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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GT500 vs STi

what can the street legal STi do to make it handles, acclerate like the GT500 cars? i mean, i've seen STi make more than 500 horsepower but they wont be able to compete against the GT500 cars~~ has anyone seen insane STis that are tuned to the point that it has a chance to run against GT500 cars?
Old Jan 27, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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Haven't seen a single Ford GT500 on the road yet. Aren't they due to go on sale in a few months as a 2007 model? It won't be hurting for power, that's for sure, but I'll have to reserve judgement on the car's chassis and handling until their owners start showing up at road course track days. Only a few Corvette C6 Z06 models have been seen at a local track.

Anyone can debate which car can beat which other car from paper specifications but the proof of the pudding is when a large enough sampling of cars and decent drivers show up at a road course. Or, at least wait for a test comparison by a magazine where they hire a hot shoe race driver to drive different cars at a track for both subjective and objective reviews and statistics.

How fast is the GT500 supposed to be on the race track? As fast as the C6 Z06 or the Ford GT?

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingless Wonder
Haven't seen a single Ford GT500 on the road yet. Aren't they due to go on sale in a few months as a 2007 model? It won't be hurting for power, that's for sure, but I'll have to reserve judgement on the car's chassis and handling until their owners start showing up at road course track days. Only a few Corvette C6 Z06 models have been seen at a local track.

Anyone can debate which car can beat which other car from paper specifications but the proof of the pudding is when a large enough sampling of cars and decent drivers show up at a road course. Or, at least wait for a test comparison by a magazine where they hire a hot shoe race driver to drive different cars at a track for both subjective and objective reviews and statistics.

How fast is the GT500 supposed to be on the race track? As fast as the C6 Z06 or the Ford GT?

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I may be wrong here but I think he was asking about how to get a stock impreza to compete against the "JGTC" (Japanese Grand Touring Car) 500 hp cars... I could be wrong here. You know how the JGTC runs 300 hp and 500 hp cars together? Anyway, the Cusco JGTC Impreza is a 300 hp car. It is also probibly worth $500,000 or more (just a guess based off of the German Touring Cars).

Those cars are tubular chasy cars which have been purpose built to race. How do you build a car to compete? I guess I would buy a 2.5 L STI. I would start by taking the engine out, strip down the engine throwing away the heads, pistons, rods, crank, cams, sleves and any other piece that was attached to the block and keep the block. Oh, I would also throw away the car. I would hire the top race car design engineers to design a tubular chasey which minimizes everything from total material used to wall thinkness of the cage. I would then hire a whole bunch of other engineers to work with the chasy engineers to design the suspension set up. I would send the block off to some hardcore race shop and say build me a race car engine from this block that revs to 10000 rpm. uhhh... I think you get my point.

To answer your question, how do you build a car that can compete against a race car? I would hire a whole bunch of people and pay them a whole bunch of money to build a race car...
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Origami posted by depdivr
I may be wrong here but I think he was asking about how to get a stock impreza to compete against the "JGTC" (Japanese Grand Touring Car) 500 hp cars... I could be wrong here. You know how the JGTC runs 300 hp and 500 hp cars together? Anyway, the Cusco JGTC Impreza is a 300 hp car. It is also probibly worth $500,000 or more (just a guess based off of the German Touring Cars).
LOL. I think you're probably right. I missed his point entirely because I don't follow the JGTC competition regularly at all. Thanks for the clarification and my apologies to the thread-starting member. It did strike me as an odd question and now I know why.

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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 06:58 AM
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my question was exactly how depdivr thought it was~~lol
cuz i dont see imprezas running in the JGTC competeion and i would like to see it own and might even inspire some good setups for street legal Stis~~^^~~
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Originally Posted by Roadstar
my question was exactly how depdivr thought it was~~lol
cuz i dont see imprezas running in the JGTC competeion and i would like to see it own and might even inspire some good setups for street legal Stis~~^^~~
You've seen this, right?


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You've seen this, right?


I saw this car run at the California Speedway when they were doing a JGTC exibition last year.... omg... gives me wood just talking about it. It was out of the race early on because of some bumping, grinding and a kiss with the wall... They are gorgeous cars, even the Nismo Z was astonishing (And I thing the USDM Z is a fat slug). They are so secretive about these cars... all work was done behind closed doors and when the cars were on display there was a velvet rope that you couldn't cross 20 feet away from the nearest piece of JGTC hardware.
Old Jan 29, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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last i heard on tha JGTC subaru, its only rated at 300whp using a IHI turbo, but thats not to say anything about it handling skills and race course set up.
Old Jan 29, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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You've seen this, right?


yes i have~
correct me if im wrong but that sti competes in the GT300 series right??
i dont see any imprezas running in the GT500 series....i wonder why...??
Old Jan 29, 2006 | 10:43 PM
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good point.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Roadstar
yes i have~
correct me if im wrong but that sti competes in the GT300 series right??
i dont see any imprezas running in the GT500 series....i wonder why...??
do you see any 2 liter cars running in the gt500 class?
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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do you see any 2 liter cars running in the gt500 class?
ding ding winnAr!!! it has to do with displacement, hence that is why you only see Supras and Skylines and NSX's in the 500 class=3.0 liters and up (?).......also why you never see RX-7's and WRX's in the 500 class, they only run in the 300 class or =2.0 liters and less

will someone please give me an RE Amemiya RX-7......pleassssse? :drool:
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ding ding winnAr!!! it has to do with displacement, hence that is why you only see Supras and Skylines and NSX's in the 500 class=3.0 liters and up (?).......also why you never see RX-7's and WRX's in the 500 class, they only run in the 300 class or =2.0 liters and less

will someone please give me an RE Amemiya RX-7......pleassssse? :drool:
What class do the Nismo Zs run?
Old Jan 31, 2006 | 04:28 PM
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What class do the Nismo Zs run?
I don't know about the Nismo Z, but its v6, and probably 3.0liters or more so it would run in the GT500 class.
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Originally Posted by Roadstar
what can the street legal STi do to make it handles, acclerate like the GT500 cars? i mean, i've seen STi make more than 500 horsepower but they wont be able to compete against the GT500 cars~~ has anyone seen insane STis that are tuned to the point that it has a chance to run against GT500 cars?
Does it read like ad copy?

The great Shelby Mustangs of the 1960s were anything but one-trick ponies. They earned their stripes on twisty roads and race tracks across America and Europe. The Shelby Cobra GT500 show car continues that legacy of all-around performance

I drove my cousin's GT500 - lots of power - great donuts. Could it handle? No
Have they changed it that much? No

The GT500 features a MacPherson strut independent front suspension with "Reverse L" lower control arms, and a solid-axle

Still has a solid axle - how great can the handling be? Better than the 1st ones because the big block made it very fron heavy and the tires were not good enough to make up for it. Which was why I had a 6mt Z28 some years ago before I went to a DSM GSX and lately to an Sti



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