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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 02:10 PM
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I don't see the problem. The rider knew the consequences when he got into the sport. Not everyone is going to be happy with what people call normal jobs. These guys are stuntmen and are professionals, they take calculated risks with a fine margin of error. The consequences caught up with him. I'm sure there's an insurance policy that will pay his survivors pretty well.

Yes, it's sad. But **** happens.

This is coming from someone who got paid to do exhibitions just like this and had their fare share of bumps and bruises, including a couple near death instances. I owe my life to a helmet, and waking up on a stretcher isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Don't know if anyone said there was a problem. Just facts... it's only a matter of time. Ever since Danny dropped those videos jumping out of a helicopter into a half pipe I knew the **** was way past where I'd ever be.

I never made money off it but I was definitely heading that way. I owe my life to luck man. I woke up after a failed invert and couldn't move my arms or legs. Scariest thing I've ever been through. Still dealing with it to this day. Every time I take a header I wonder when it'll be the last header I'll take. But screw it. I love doing it. Nothing gonna stop me.

They all know what they're doing and as long as the money and fame goes along with it people will push the limits. The farther they get pushed the more people will die. Just how it is.
Old Jan 31, 2013 | 02:13 PM
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Pushing the limits yes, but for what purpose? This sort of trick "sport" is for entertainment only. Sure it takes skill and athleticism just like any other motorsport, but I guess I don't' really see the point of doing flips on snowmobiles?
Haha, seriously? Its fun to push the limits in doing what you love. I mean, whats the purpose of racing a car? Horseback riding? Skiing?
Old Jan 31, 2013 | 02:14 PM
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Looks like he could tell he in trouble as soon as he launched that second one and tried to save it. He should have bailed.

RIP.



Not seeing your point. Of course it can, but I doubt we will see anyone die in golf as a direct result of the sport anytime soon. All motorsports are dangerous, period; some more than others.
My point is that you can argue about the safety in any sport (and yes trick sports are still sports) of course there is an entertainment factor within it, but these guys have a competitive spirit and a love of what theyre doing. Just because you dont get what theyre doing doesnt mean they dont, and theyre the ones putting their life on the line, thats all that matters.
Old Jan 31, 2013 | 02:35 PM
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My point is that you can argue about the safety in any sport (and yes trick sports are still sports) of course there is an entertainment factor within it, but these guys have a competitive spirit and a love of what theyre doing. Just because you dont get what theyre doing doesnt mean they dont, and theyre the ones putting their life on the line, thats all that matters.
I don't have a problem with someone enjoying what they do in a competitive manner. THAT is human nature. The point I was making is that many motorsports push technology forward and that frequently trickles down to the real world (eventually for some things) and something like this really doesn't do that...until now that someone died. NOW things will change because more than just the standard practice of safety will come into question.

ALL sports are for two things: to say "I am the best at this" whether someone is watching or not, and entertainment for those who watch. I like to take a turn as well as I can and get the car to do what I want and push the limit in the appropriate situation too. I don't care if anyone else knows I have the ability to do it; I don't do it for them. So I understand that aspect, but there's a difference to me between doing something you love and doing something like this. People watch for the same reason they watch ALL motorsports: for the crashes and the final lap. That is also human nature or "sports" as a whole would not exist.

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Haha, seriously? Its fun to push the limits in doing what you love. I mean, whats the purpose of racing a car? Horseback riding? Skiing?
What's the purpose of golf? Bowling? Curling? They all came from something that people were already doing or were bored and decided to do something and then they were turned into competitions.

The purpose of racing a car is to see how well you can do it with the gear you have and then improve on that.

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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:18 PM
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I don't have a problem with someone enjoying what they do in a competitive manner. THAT is human nature. The point I was making is that many motorsports push technology forward and that frequently trickles down to the real world (eventually for some things) and something like this really doesn't do that...until now that someone died. NOW things will change because more than just the standard practice of safety will come into question.

ALL sports are for two things: to say "I am the best at this" whether someone is watching or not, and entertainment for those who watch. I like to take a turn as well as I can and get the car to do what I want and push the limit in the appropriate situation too. I don't care if anyone else knows I have the ability to do it; I don't do it for them. So I understand that aspect, but there's a difference to me between doing something you love and doing something like this. People watch for the same reason they watch ALL motorsports: for the crashes and the final lap. That is also human nature or "sports" as a whole would not exist.



What's the purpose of golf? Bowling? Curling? They all came from something that people were already doing or were bored and decided to do something and then they were turned into competitions.

The purpose of racing a car is to see how well you can do it with the gear you have and then improve on that.
Just because a snowmobile has a motor doesnt mean it has to advance technology in any way, its a sport just like golf is a sport. I can assure you he has probably landed that trick multiple times in both a foam pit and on solid ground, this is just a really sad and unfortunate accident. This sport exists because of the people who love to do it, not because its fun to watch.

And personally I love watching motorsports for the overtakes and the cornerings and the motors themselves.
Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 04GG

ALL sports are for two things: to say "I am the best at this" whether someone is watching or not, and entertainment for those who watch.
What about the fun and the thrill of it all? My point being that even though racing cars, horseback riding and skiing are dangerous (people die doing it every year) they still do it because its fun and an adrenaline rush.
Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:22 PM
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What about the fun and the thrill of it all? My point being that even though racing cars, horseback riding and skiing are dangerous (people die doing it every year) they still do it because its fun and an adrenaline rush.

People die from Soccer all the time as well and its not thought of as being dangerous.
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What about the fun and the thrill of it all? My point being that even though racing cars, horseback riding and skiing are dangerous (people die doing it every year) they still do it because its fun and an adrenaline rush.
WERD> I still do it. Hell I nearly kill myself at least once a year. LOL!

Couple years ago I slammed my forehead off a tree while spinning through the trees like a helicopter. This year already I went end over end through a grove of trees and nearly stuffed my car in an ice bank at 60mph. I've been buried in the snow twice. Had to hike off some gnarly cliffs (and no I'm not talking about that sissy one at bear a couple years ago). Outran an avalanche that should have killed me. Been hit by a car a couple times. Etc etc etc.

We do what we love. These guys just make cash doing it... and most of them don't make that much. I work with an xgames gold medallist. He doesn't drive a lambo. These are normal folks for the most part.
Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:24 PM
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People die from Soccer all the time as well and its not thought of as being dangerous.
Dude I almost died from soccer. Damned ball wouldn't stop moving.
Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 04GG
Looks like he could tell he in trouble as soon as he launched that second one and tried to save it. He should have bailed.

RIP.
Not seeing your point. Of course it can, but I doubt we will see anyone die in golf as a direct result of the sport anytime soon. All motorsports are dangerous, period; some more than others.

My little brother almost died playing golf. Took an errant drive from another player to his nugget. The dude NEVER should have driven the ball with the close proximity of my brother's group...
Bleeding on the brain, concussed, etc.

Your right though...we'll never see it on television.




Someone else said it and I agree: I think the NFL will have an incident sooner than later.







I'm slowly creeping up on 40 and still skate as much as I can. I've never been really fantastic at it but, my love for the sport has never dwindled since 1985 ish. In 2006 I suffered a head injury after hanging up on an air that almost turned me into a veggie. I lost my memory for 3 days and my motor skills were shot for the same duration. My wife was terrified. I was busy drooling.

Anyone doing these sports understands the risks involved. We pay to play.

I still skate and still love it! (Though since 2006 I've doubled my life insurance.)

If I am lucky enough to lose my life doing what I love, so be it. I'd rather not die at the hands of some POS home-invader, or some dip**** on the 580 texting while driving, or butt-cancer, or worse...


RIP to this kid though...its really sad and he suffered quite a bit.

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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:41 PM
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My little brother almost died playing golf. Took an errant drive from another player to his nugget. The dude NEVER should have driven the ball with the close proximity of my brother's group...
Bleeding on the brain, concussed, etc.

Your right though...we'll never see it on television.

I think the NFL will have an incident sooner than later.
Oh man. I woulda beat the **** outta someone for that.

I've nearly been plugged before. I'm sure more people die playing golf than you'd think.
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Just because a snowmobile has a motor doesnt mean it has to advance technology in any way, its a sport just like golf is a sport.
Lawnmower racing doesn't advance technology either, so I get what you are saying. That doesn't make it a sport.

This sport exists because of the people who love to do it, not because its fun to watch.
Sorry, but that is absolutely not true. If they didn't put it on TV, it would not be considered a sport. Be honest there. No sponsors, no fans, no spotlight or financial incentive and it would just be guys saying "Look what I can do". That would still happen every day whether it was on TV or not, but maybe it wouldn't have gotten to the point of something like this. It is a spectacle. Entertainment. We are arguing semantics here, so you can call it what you like, but I don't call it a sport. Is cheerleading a sport? Nope. Will I watch it? Yup.

And personally I love watching motorsports for the overtakes and the cornering and the motors themselves.
So do I, because we understand what they are doing. I love suspension, aerodynamics, motors, all of the technology, everything about it. I've been watching racing ever since I was a little snot riding a skateboard down the driveway on my butt. I also understand what the guy on the snow mobile is doing and I definitely can't do that, but I don't have a need or desire to either. I was riding quads at high speed in the desert a few weekends ago with no helmet. That doesn't make me an athlete, and no helmet wasn't so smart either, but I'm still here.

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I've nearly been plugged before. I'm sure more people die playing golf than you'd think.
No doubt, but it isn't like they are out there putting their lives on the line like the snowmobile guys are. I've been hit by a line drive to the chest. Hurt like a ****.

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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:45 PM
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My little brother almost died playing golf. Took an errant drive from another player to his nugget. The dude NEVER should have driven the ball with the close proximity of my brother's group...
Bleeding on the brain, concussed, etc.

Your right though...we'll never see it on television.

I think the NFL will have an incident sooner than later.
Most NFL related deaths usually happen a few years after retirement from head injuries and whatnot. I also think most NFL players have a notably shorter life expectancy.
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Sorry, but that is absolutely not true. If they didn't put it on TV, it would not be considered a sport. Be honest there. No sponsors, no fans, no spotlight or financial incentive and it would just be guys saying "Look what I can do". That would still happen every day whether it was on TV or not, but maybe it wouldn't have gotten to the point of something like this. It is a spectacle. Entertainment. We are arguing semantics here, so you can call it what you like, but I don't call it a sport. Is cheerleading a sport? Nope. Will I watch it? Yup.
Youre totally right dude, sports werent invented until 1927.
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Youre totally right dude, sports werent invented until 1927.
Again, you just want to pick at irrelevant parts as opposed to what is being SAID. You know what I meant, so no need to be an asshat about it.

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