His family says he's not a terrorists, tried to storm the **** pit, had 47 bucks, no belongings, didn't tell his only relatives he was flying in, yelled a bunch of crazy islam **** that god is great before he tried. Just a nice guy spending his time teaching math in yemen.


I think that the air marshal should have snapped this guys kneck, and should kill anyone attempting to get to the pilot. Why didn't they kill him?

 

yeah, I would have definitley slapped on a choke and put him out at the very least... or at least bust a few joints steven segal style.

the good thing is that he didn't get in. I don't think he had any weapon and since the door was locked as it should, there was no imminent life threatening danger, so I think killing him would have been a bit overboard in this specific situation.

my friend's mom was on the plane that was downed by the passengers in Penn in 2011, i wouldn't hesitate to at least totally injur the culprit, and if his injuries led to his death, then so be it... maybe a thumb in the eye or crushed trachea would have put him down until landing. I don't give a F if they have box cutters... they're gonna have to cut me a ton of times to stop me.

let me just guess though, your a conservative that doesn't disagree with the death penalty and capital punishment... just tossing that assumption out there... not that i disagree with you... just saying that because not everyone will agree with you there.

what do you think about illegal immigrants being incarcerated for felonies, and being let go in S.F.? not deported at all, yet we extradite wanted criminals to other countries? now that sh* seems backwards to me... f'ing S.F.

 

But if he manages to get in thats all the weapon he needs. Just seems like they should kill people on the spot who try to rush the cockpit.

 

Should have killed him. Do crazy sh*t, get killed. That's kinda how it should work.

 

i don't completely agree there... even though just killing them seems like a good quick and beneficial decision.

pilots now have weapons in the cockpit with them... i don't think just getting in alone, is a weapon.

what if he had mental issues? how many passengers would now find someone to sue? people are going to sue for PTSD, for their kids, PTSD, cause they can't work anymore after seeing this, goes on and on and on... i have pre-traumatic stress syndrome just after thinking about this...

and who is "they"? the stewards? give them guns? tasers? light sabers?

 

can you write an objective list defining what is and what is not "crazy" that should end in death? I'd like to see your list...

 

not fully informed in this thread but trying to rush a cockpit is considered a "crazy" thing to do where I come from. I would have to agree that he wouldve deserved death if he got it.

 

I agree with you that his move was crazy... no disagreement there. But that's exactly it, you said "where I come from" meaning that crazy means different things to different people. I think jumping out of a perfectly good airplane is crazy, but my buddies do it every weekend.

the OP was stating that he deserved death even for trying, i see that you agree with death if he got in... what about if just even trying?

what if he didn't say any Islamic stuff right before? would things be different? my assumption is yes, but we'll never know, obviously.

my point was that who makes the decision and who carries out the action?

Do you arrest him and put him on death row? do we give stewards guns? that' sorta dangerous as well imho. how do you immediately kill him?

i would suggest to have a cop, security guard or trained mma fighter or something on each plane, sitting first row perhaps... i can't think of anything else. stewards are not trained to kill people, protect people, etc. and don't get paid enough to do so and most are probably not strong enough.

if you knew one airline provided this protective service while others didn't... and you had to pay more to have the service, would you pay more? how much more? would the company still be able to be competitive in the marketplace?

my buddy (over 10 years ago) had a drug problem and actually was convicted of armed robbery (which is pretty high up on the crazy list), but I don't think he deserved death... that's just me though. it's really difficult to be cut and dry here... he ended up serving 2 years hard time, and now is a much better citizen.

 

Well said. I will say that rushing a cockpit while looking to do harm on others should be punishable by death. Yelling Islamic stuff isn't a smart thing to do either given the current situation we are in. If someone got a hold of him and killed him after he tried and failed to get into the cockpit, it would be acceptable to me that he was trying to harm others. Take his life as a punishment for trying to harm others.

 

He was clearly crazy. Not a well thought out plan at all. No weapon, no way to get into the cockpit. I'm sure he got pretty roughed up when he was being detained.

He deserves to do some time, most likely in a mental hospital. In the America I live in, we don't kill people for being crazy when we can subdue them and bring them to trial. It's called due process and if we don't allow it for everyone, why should we allow it for you?

 

Keep alive when you can. More value to keeping a terrorist alive because of any intel we can get out of them.

Could be a methhead or someone tweaking but yelling the Islam stuff pretty much sealed the deal for this guy.

 

I'd agree, but it's difficult to deal with terrorists who WANT to die and don't care at all about life. and where do we keep them all? Indiana?

waterboard them, get intel... I really wonder how much intel we got out of the computers at Usama's heezey.... and I heard the Pakistani's outed one of our CIA Agents cause they're butthurt that we went in after Usama...

I also found it funny that the U.S. hates on Pakistan cause we said they should know he lived there, America doesn't even know who lives here, nor cares... why do we think that they should? these types of things give U.S. a bad rap. more contradictions...

 

guilt/craziness should not be determined by how well thought out their plan was imo.

is a knee in the back of the head "roughed" up? I've seen a guy get that treatment for just not getting out of his car within 5 seconds of being asked by a leo.

only prob with a mental hospital is that there's little to no protection and security from the patients for workers...

how many people do you think are currently in mental institutions that aren't crazy at all, but were deemed that by a jury? wives killed by jealous crazy husbands deemed crazy or something, but aren't at all... now get free drugs and chill out watching tv? i'm being a bit melodramatic there i know, but you get my point.

i recall a big hollywood producer's son being on drugs, driving and killing a bunch of people in Isla Vista years back a couple years after i left... he was deemed "crazy" and put in an institute... he's not f*ing crazy at all. he needed to serve 25-life for that ****. people were literally chopped in half, just walking down the street on a Friday night. bodiy parts strewn about in the middle of the god damn road... if anything, that guy should have been dragged out of the car by his hair and beaten to oblivion... then he'd be crazy for sure.

 

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What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Oh right...

Anyways, I'm not going to make any assumptions and immediately call this person a terrorist. I have no clue as to the circumstances and motivations for his actions (we do NOT know this man personally), but that's what the courts are for, to clarify exactly what happened and have the suspect sentenced to an appropriate punishment if applicable.
At least that's what I thought the courts were for...

 

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