STI Help/ advice
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STI Help/ advice
Hey does anybody know how to install a turbo timer, HKS type I, for 04 STI with a factory alarm (with all the functions)? Not sure if the harmess is the same as the WRX.
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Originally posted by Quoc
Hey does anybody know how to install a turbo timer, HKS type I, for 04 STI with a factory alarm (with all the functions)? Not sure if the harmess is the same as the WRX.
Hey does anybody know how to install a turbo timer, HKS type I, for 04 STI with a factory alarm (with all the functions)? Not sure if the harmess is the same as the WRX.
i remember seeing a thread somewhere saying there are a few changes in the 04 model...
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I would ask HKS about it and see what they say. I do know for sure that the harnesses that go to the ECU are all different on the STi. Pretty much all the other manufacturers you the same turbo timer harness anyways for the the WRX.
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Why waste my money on a turbo timer?
Gee, let me think....
What is the purpose of a turbo timer?
Answer:
-to cool down the turbo. You do not want hot oil in the turbo once you shut off your engine. Oil circulates throught the turbo and gets the "heat" out. You can greatly extend the life of a turbo by letting it cool properly. That is why you need to waste your money on a turbo timmer.
Gee, let me think....
What is the purpose of a turbo timer?
Answer:
-to cool down the turbo. You do not want hot oil in the turbo once you shut off your engine. Oil circulates throught the turbo and gets the "heat" out. You can greatly extend the life of a turbo by letting it cool properly. That is why you need to waste your money on a turbo timmer.
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first of all, if you use synthetic oil (which you should in such a high performance car) or any high quality motor oil for that matter, IT WILL NOT COKE!!!! EVER!!!
second, subaru designs these motors so that the turbos DO NOT NEED to be cooled down. last time i checked, there is a warning for just about everything under the sun in the owners manual. yet there is NOT ONE THING about letting the car cool down when you turn it off. not once!!
third, mike shields, one of (if not THE) most conservative of subaru tuners firmly believes that turbo timers on a stock subaru are NOT NECESSARY. www.spdtuning.com is down right now or i would give you the exact web page where Mike goes into detail as to exactly why our cars do not need turbo timers.
it just kills me to see people wasting their money on stupid little gadgets that do NOTHING for the car when they could be spending it on something that does something for the car. performance-wise preferably.
that having been said, there MAY be a use for turbo timers in high horsepower, large turbo motors that see a lot of track time and get used to their full potential. now what percentage of people on these boards truly drive their WRXs to the point where the turbo is very hot on a recurring basis? i'd say 10% max. most people use their cars as daily drivers, and in those situations, the turbo RARELY gets hot enough to even consider cooling it down in the first place. these are the people who are using turbo timers to let their car idle pointlessly for 60 seconds after they get out of their car. they think it's so cool and so trick but it is STUPID and POINTLESS.
and you know what the funny part is? my car has one of these stupid things. the guy i bought it from installed it and if i took it out i would have a big hole in my center console that would look terrible in my otherwise clean looking car. now if anyone out there wants to trade center consoles with me, that's fine. once again, i can't stand turbo timers. they are utterly pointless on all but 1% of cars they are used on. simply an idea by companies to take the money of idiots. no more no less. have a nice day.
second, subaru designs these motors so that the turbos DO NOT NEED to be cooled down. last time i checked, there is a warning for just about everything under the sun in the owners manual. yet there is NOT ONE THING about letting the car cool down when you turn it off. not once!!
third, mike shields, one of (if not THE) most conservative of subaru tuners firmly believes that turbo timers on a stock subaru are NOT NECESSARY. www.spdtuning.com is down right now or i would give you the exact web page where Mike goes into detail as to exactly why our cars do not need turbo timers.
it just kills me to see people wasting their money on stupid little gadgets that do NOTHING for the car when they could be spending it on something that does something for the car. performance-wise preferably.
that having been said, there MAY be a use for turbo timers in high horsepower, large turbo motors that see a lot of track time and get used to their full potential. now what percentage of people on these boards truly drive their WRXs to the point where the turbo is very hot on a recurring basis? i'd say 10% max. most people use their cars as daily drivers, and in those situations, the turbo RARELY gets hot enough to even consider cooling it down in the first place. these are the people who are using turbo timers to let their car idle pointlessly for 60 seconds after they get out of their car. they think it's so cool and so trick but it is STUPID and POINTLESS.
and you know what the funny part is? my car has one of these stupid things. the guy i bought it from installed it and if i took it out i would have a big hole in my center console that would look terrible in my otherwise clean looking car. now if anyone out there wants to trade center consoles with me, that's fine. once again, i can't stand turbo timers. they are utterly pointless on all but 1% of cars they are used on. simply an idea by companies to take the money of idiots. no more no less. have a nice day.
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Originally written by Mike Shields, Scooby Guru at large
The use of turbo timers to shut the engine off some preset time after the ignition key is removed was needed in the old days, when the turbocharger bearing housing was only cooled by the lubrication oil of a running engine passing by the turbine bearing. If the engine was shut of when the turbine was still hot, the old design saw excessive heat wick into the turbo bearing and seal area, causing failure and heavy oil consumption. The newer (for over 10 years now) style turbo housings are water cooled as well as oil cooled. The original EJ20 Subaru turbo motor took advantage of water cooled bearings from the start and have never had this problem due to a unique design feature.
The use of turbo timers to shut the engine off some preset time after the ignition key is removed was needed in the old days, when the turbocharger bearing housing was only cooled by the lubrication oil of a running engine passing by the turbine bearing. If the engine was shut of when the turbine was still hot, the old design saw excessive heat wick into the turbo bearing and seal area, causing failure and heavy oil consumption. The newer (for over 10 years now) style turbo housings are water cooled as well as oil cooled. The original EJ20 Subaru turbo motor took advantage of water cooled bearings from the start and have never had this problem due to a unique design feature.
All of your points regarding timers are correct. Unless you have completely replaced the top end of your motor, it's unnecessary.Here is anohter interesting tidbit fromt he same page:
Please note that we do not recommend intake kits that we have seen to date. Long term, we are more concerned with getting clean air to the engine and turbine than more air. Turbine impellers are very sensitive even to the smallest dust particles, so clean air is critical for long engine lift. The intake kits do make a nice noise though. But, I thought I get more power with and intake kit? Our point is it is relatively simple to turn the boost up .2 pound and get more power with clean air rather than use a filter that does not have at least one 90 degree bend to the air flow ahead of the filter to remove the larger entrained particles before they hit the filter. This is what the stock cold air intake does and those turbocharger impellers are very sensitive to clean air for long life. So we recommend giving it every chance by staying with a proper air box. We are looking for a larger, low restriction airbox, but with ABS it is difficult to fit one in the space provided!
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Originally posted by Quoc
Why waste my money on a turbo timer?
Gee, let me think....
What is the purpose of a turbo timer?
Answer:
-to cool down the turbo. You do not want hot oil in the turbo once you shut off your engine. Oil circulates throught the turbo and gets the "heat" out. You can greatly extend the life of a turbo by letting it cool properly. That is why you need to waste your money on a turbo timmer.
Why waste my money on a turbo timer?
Gee, let me think....
What is the purpose of a turbo timer?
Answer:
-to cool down the turbo. You do not want hot oil in the turbo once you shut off your engine. Oil circulates throught the turbo and gets the "heat" out. You can greatly extend the life of a turbo by letting it cool properly. That is why you need to waste your money on a turbo timmer.
Other than that save for something else
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i got the hks turbo timer US spec type 1 the reason i got mine because it has other little thing like 0-60 25mile 60foot and something else my mean reason i got it is because it has a digtal read of the mph because i once i go pass i 140mph i could look at that i best reading i got was 155mph ENJOY
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haha, nice raazin. how're you liking those rotors?
and quoc, i even took the time to send you a PM telling you that i have nothing against you, just TTs.
so why are you so upset? because i knew something you didn't?
welcome to life. get over it, sell your TT, and get some real mods.
and quoc, i even took the time to send you a PM telling you that i have nothing against you, just TTs.
so why are you so upset? because i knew something you didn't?
welcome to life. get over it, sell your TT, and get some real mods.
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Damn man.. the guy just want some answer for his turbo timer and you guys are flaming like he did something wrong?
cut him some slack..
Quoc,
Don't sweat it.. I have a turbo timer also. I guess that makes me a ricer.
cut him some slack..
Quoc,
Don't sweat it.. I have a turbo timer also. I guess that makes me a ricer.
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Originally posted by Steppin Razor
haha, nice raazin. how're you liking those rotors?
and quoc, i even took the time to send you a PM telling you that i have nothing against you, just TTs.
so why are you so upset? because i knew something you didn't?
welcome to life. get over it, sell your TT, and get some real mods.
haha, nice raazin. how're you liking those rotors?
and quoc, i even took the time to send you a PM telling you that i have nothing against you, just TTs.
so why are you so upset? because i knew something you didn't?
welcome to life. get over it, sell your TT, and get some real mods.
