Sorry to post another "Eff you COPS" thread, but I'm not really sorry at all, pigs.
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If he had just opened up his trunk he would been on his merry way. I do understand that he does not need to open the trunk without probable cause, and the 4th amendment gives him that right, but in the end, if the dog gave them suspicion, they have the right to search.
now, the beating was excessive force and unnecassary. this is such a double sided story for those not there.
Until you work security and see the things that people try to pull everyday, you really dont know the full realism of the situation. But at the same time, if he is tazed and not fighting back, they should have just cuffed him and let him be.
now, the beating was excessive force and unnecassary. this is such a double sided story for those not there.
Until you work security and see the things that people try to pull everyday, you really dont know the full realism of the situation. But at the same time, if he is tazed and not fighting back, they should have just cuffed him and let him be.
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As a security guard at a checkpoint, and according to numerous trainings, if someone will not open a specific part of the vehicle they may be hiding something and therefore it is not "probably cause". It sucks because that means that you pretty much have to go with what the police say as if you go against it you are giving the a reason to search you, and that is all dependent on the officer's perception. that is why they are out there in the line of fire and dealing with criminals.
Not to say this guy was a criminal, but why would he argue for an hour and not just open up his trunk and be on his way.
Not to say this guy was a criminal, but why would he argue for an hour and not just open up his trunk and be on his way.
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I watched the whole thing. I agree with both sides. The guy has a point of illegal search and siezure, but the officers have a point of him being suspicious.
If was the security I would have asked for proof of ID and insurance, as that is required to operate a vehicle on US highways. If he started ranting after that, he is done.
If was the security I would have asked for proof of ID and insurance, as that is required to operate a vehicle on US highways. If he started ranting after that, he is done.
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As a security guard at a checkpoint, and according to numerous trainings, if someone will not open a specific part of the vehicle they may be hiding something and therefore it is not "probably cause". It sucks because that means that you pretty much have to go with what the police say as if you go against it you are giving the a reason to search you, and that is all dependent on the officer's perception. that is why they are out there in the line of fire and dealing with criminals.
Not to say this guy was a criminal, but why would he argue for an hour and not just open up his trunk and be on his way.
Not to say this guy was a criminal, but why would he argue for an hour and not just open up his trunk and be on his way.
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please don't! I don't think there has been any nasty name calling, and as far as the back-and-forth these people have presented better more direct arguments and counter-points than what you see on TV. I'm not looking to entertain myself by having this continue but this ultimately affects everyone
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maybe it is a little different because its on a base, but if you came up to my security post, and started ranting like that straight away, I would have to go with the suspicion that you are hiding something or trying to smuggle something through. I would then explain that I need to see some ID and proof of insurance as that is required to operate a vehicle. Then let the guy/girl know that if they keep that attitude up, they are being very suspicious and bringing the right of probable cause to themselves for being so direct in their actions to leave.
If they cooperated, showed me the proper documentation, they would be on their way. If they were argumentative, I would go with probable cause and then go to the next step.
Like i said, my training was all done with military and regards to on base, and operational areas, but that is how I would handle it.
If they cooperated, showed me the proper documentation, they would be on their way. If they were argumentative, I would go with probable cause and then go to the next step.
Like i said, my training was all done with military and regards to on base, and operational areas, but that is how I would handle it.
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1. Upon request, show them your driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance. In certain cases, your car can be searched without a warrant as long as the police have probable cause. To protect yourself later, you should make it clear that you do not consent to a search. It is not lawful for police to arrest you simply for refusing to consent to a search.
2. If you're given a ticket, you should sign it; otherwise you can be arrested. You can always fight the case in court later.
3. If you're suspected of drunk driving (DWI) and refuse to take a blood, urine or breath test, your driver's license may be suspended.
-also from that same page-
1. It's not a crime to refuse to answer questions, but refusing to answer can make the police suspicious about you. If you are asked to identify yourself, see paragraph 2 above.
So tell me, where were the LEO's "in the wrong"
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