Smog check is getting even stricter
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Q and A but overview and implementation is worth reading too because its short.
Bill was introduced by assembly member Mike Eng and was designed to do this:
AB 2289 – Smog Check Program: Testing: Penalties. This proposal would authorize an alternative smog check program test method for newer vehicles equipped with updated on-board diagnostic systems (OBDII). The bill also directs older, high emitting vehicles to the highest performing stations and implements stricter fines structure for improper inspections. It is designed to improve the program in reducing pollution through the use of new technologies that provide considerable time and cost savings to consumers while at the same time improving consumer protections by adopting more stringent fine structures to respond to station and technicians that perform improper and incomplete inspections.
Oh not sure if many of you know this but Toyota Previas and other newer Toyotas are ridiculously hard to smog on a dyno because their speed doesnt stay steady. One required 15 attempts by me (3 attempts = abort of test). Not my fault but under the new program Id be graded on it so most smog places will turn those cars away. Nice of this bill to penalize my pocket and livelihood for Toyotas defect.
Bill was introduced by assembly member Mike Eng and was designed to do this:
AB 2289 – Smog Check Program: Testing: Penalties. This proposal would authorize an alternative smog check program test method for newer vehicles equipped with updated on-board diagnostic systems (OBDII). The bill also directs older, high emitting vehicles to the highest performing stations and implements stricter fines structure for improper inspections. It is designed to improve the program in reducing pollution through the use of new technologies that provide considerable time and cost savings to consumers while at the same time improving consumer protections by adopting more stringent fine structures to respond to station and technicians that perform improper and incomplete inspections.
Oh not sure if many of you know this but Toyota Previas and other newer Toyotas are ridiculously hard to smog on a dyno because their speed doesnt stay steady. One required 15 attempts by me (3 attempts = abort of test). Not my fault but under the new program Id be graded on it so most smog places will turn those cars away. Nice of this bill to penalize my pocket and livelihood for Toyotas defect.
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What I don't understand is why do they care what you do to your car if it passes smog emissions. Think it's time to move to another state, this is getting as lame as the cops out now of days! Worlds about to end and they worry about this, go **** some more money down the drain. This government is really screwed up.......
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What I don't understand is why do they care what you do to your car if it passes smog emissions. Think it's time to move to another state, this is getting as lame as the cops out now of days! Worlds about to end and they worry about this, go **** some more money down the drain. This government is really screwed up.......
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California is broke and is looking for any and all scams to Fu*# it's residents out of their money. It's not only auto, it's home, employment and what ever else they can do. So either move or bend over for the rest of your life
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There was a shop that got popped last year in San Jose that was doing illegal smogs for as long as I remember. Asian shop where you asked for "Jose" to get the smog done for those of you that know which shop Im talking about. They definitely bought a few houses with the profit they made and they had an elaborate system setup for clean piping and even clean wiring for ob2 monitors.
The BAR knew what this shop was doing for 5+ years. It took them that long to build a case because they're lazy government workers I guess.
Anyway the guys that are going to cheat the system will always be one step ahead no matter what they change. The only people that get burned in the process are the ones that try to make a living following the law.
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The BAR knew what this shop was doing for 5+ years. It took them that long to build a case because they're lazy government workers I guess.
Anyway the guys that are going to cheat the system will always be one step ahead no matter what they change. The only people that get burned in the process are the ones that try to make a living following the law.
strongly considering going back to school to become a pharmacist. people will always need drugs :P
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If this really goes through, smog will officially be a bigger PITA than Safety and Recon in HI.
Guess that means I gotta get a car that's boss from the factory or just move back to HI.
Guess that means I gotta get a car that's boss from the factory or just move back to HI.
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Although I'm in the same boat as all you guys in that this may make my smog checks more difficult, the substance of the initiative seems reasonable. (Disclaimer: I haven't read all of the documentation, but I've gathered that wheel, tire, and weight measurements will factor into dyno testing, and techs will have performance reports).
-From my understanding, any rolling dyno needs to be calibrated in order to generate meaningful results. In order to calibrate a dyno to create consistent load (not load to the wheels, but load to the engine which is what effects emissions), weight, wheel, tire, and gearing all need to be taken into consideration. It's surprising this doesn't take place already.
-Much like any other job, performance ratings are a good thing. In this case it means that we (owners of modified cars) will be held to the rules more carefully, but the root of the problem is in the rules, not the way the tech is implementing them.
My point is that this IS going to make things harder, but it's the fault of the previously established smog rules, not "STAR" -- so focus your complaints and efforts on that.
-From my understanding, any rolling dyno needs to be calibrated in order to generate meaningful results. In order to calibrate a dyno to create consistent load (not load to the wheels, but load to the engine which is what effects emissions), weight, wheel, tire, and gearing all need to be taken into consideration. It's surprising this doesn't take place already.
-Much like any other job, performance ratings are a good thing. In this case it means that we (owners of modified cars) will be held to the rules more carefully, but the root of the problem is in the rules, not the way the tech is implementing them.
My point is that this IS going to make things harder, but it's the fault of the previously established smog rules, not "STAR" -- so focus your complaints and efforts on that.
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Although I'm in the same boat as all you guys in that this may make my smog checks more difficult, the substance of the initiative seems reasonable. (Disclaimer: I haven't read all of the documentation, but I've gathered that wheel, tire, and weight measurements will factor into dyno testing, and techs will have performance reports).
-From my understanding, any rolling dyno needs to be calibrated in order to generate meaningful results. In order to calibrate a dyno to create consistent load (not load to the wheels, but load to the engine which is what effects emissions), weight, wheel, tire, and gearing all need to be taken into consideration. It's surprising this doesn't take place already.
-Much like any other job, performance ratings are a good thing. In this case it means that we (owners of modified cars) will be held to the rules more carefully, but the root of the problem is in the rules, not the way the tech is implementing them.
My point is that this IS going to make things harder, but it's the fault of the previously established smog rules, not "STAR" -- so focus your complaints and efforts on that.
As far as I know its already gone through. There might be minor tweaks but the STAR system is coming out in 2013 unless someone files a lawsuit against the BAR.
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So if I lower my car add a CARB Legal Header and CAI and gut my car and use wider tires it will make a tech fail at their job even the emissions will probably be less? How lame Also glad my car does not have to be smogged til 2014/2015 if the current program is still in effect.
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Any word on what Diesel smog will look like In the future? My truck doesn't have the FE9 code on the glove box and I have It registered at my cabin In Sonora, I'm hoping they keep It smog exempt up there for a few more years.
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So if I lower my car add a CARB Legal Header and CAI and gut my car and use wider tires it will make a tech fail at their job even the emissions will probably be less? How lame Also glad my car does not have to be smogged til 2014/2015 if the current program is still in effect.
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