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I dont think that this is true but:
My sister told me that "Speed Limit" sign is not the actual "limit" and you can go +10 mph w/o getting a ticket LEGALLY (ex. Speed Limit>45mph --> 53mph = Legal) --- but on the other hand if the sign reads "Maximum Speed" You can get a ticky by going 1 or 2 MPH over the posted speed. (ex. Maximum Speed 65MPH --> 67MPH = Ticket)
I Don't 100% believe this... But just a thought
Maybe it is true?
My sister told me that "Speed Limit" sign is not the actual "limit" and you can go +10 mph w/o getting a ticket LEGALLY (ex. Speed Limit>45mph --> 53mph = Legal) --- but on the other hand if the sign reads "Maximum Speed" You can get a ticky by going 1 or 2 MPH over the posted speed. (ex. Maximum Speed 65MPH --> 67MPH = Ticket)
I Don't 100% believe this... But just a thought
Maybe it is true?
Your sister smokes good crack. She meant to say that the roads are usually tested as "safe" to drive on 10 mph over the posted speed limit. Next time you see CHP on the freeway go ahead and pass him doing 75 and see if he lights em up....
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Originally Posted by mikkyo
I sent some reader feedback to the author.
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Originally Posted by mmboost
Accords, Tercels and seasickness inducing Mustangs.
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Originally Posted by mikkyo
So I had to check.
Between 2002 and 2003 there were over a million new drivers and the number of deaths was actually *lower* in the US.
Even if you include Puerto Rico, which has some of the worst roads and intersections in the world, the numbers were less.
2002 - 42,815 deaths in US
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs02/fi20.htm
194,295,633 - licensed drivers
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs02/dl22.htm
2003 - 42,643 deaths in US
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs03/htm/dlchrt.htm
196,165,667 - licensed drivers
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs03/htm/dl22.htm
Seatbelt use has increased, however, fatalities have not significantly decreased.
http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa4604.htm
Between 2002 and 2003 there were over a million new drivers and the number of deaths was actually *lower* in the US.
Even if you include Puerto Rico, which has some of the worst roads and intersections in the world, the numbers were less.
2002 - 42,815 deaths in US
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs02/fi20.htm
194,295,633 - licensed drivers
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs02/dl22.htm
2003 - 42,643 deaths in US
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs03/htm/dlchrt.htm
196,165,667 - licensed drivers
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs03/htm/dl22.htm
Seatbelt use has increased, however, fatalities have not significantly decreased.
http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa4604.htm
Send it to the editor, it might actually get looked at.
jason
Originally Posted by mmboost
Send it to the editor, it might actually get looked at.
jason
jason
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Originally Posted by mmboost
I suppose it never occured to you that there's also the added elements of the ability of the cars and drivers around you. New drivers. Old people. Stupid people. Accords, Tercels and seasickness inducing Mustangs. Lower speeds means more time for everyone to react.
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Here's what has occured to me: when the speed limit was 55, people drove 75-80 on 280. Now that the limit is 65, people still drive 75-80 on 280. A person doing 62 and not paying attention is far more dangerous than the person doing 80 who is paying attention. A person doing 65 on bald tires is far more dangerous than a person doing 80 in a car which is properly maintained. Tickets should be given for unsafe driving, speed plays a part in unsafe driving, but so do a lot of other factors. In any given week I see dozens of vehicles zooming down the road with *visibly* underinflated tires and I see dozens of SUV's weaving in traffic to the point where their top heavy bodies are swaying. Ticket those folks if you really want safer roads, not the guy doing 66 mph.
Originally Posted by BlingBlingBlue
I think you missed my point, or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well enough. Giving me a ticket for doing 56 in a 55 is nothing more than a random driving tax and has absolutely nothing to do with safety. If safety was the issue, driver's licenses would not be given away and routine safety inspections would be done on vehicles.
Here's what has occured to me: when the speed limit was 55, people drove 75-80 on 280. Now that the limit is 65, people still drive 75-80 on 280. A person doing 62 and not paying attention is far more dangerous than the person doing 80 who is paying attention. A person doing 65 on bald tires is far more dangerous than a person doing 80 in a car which is properly maintained. Tickets should be given for unsafe driving, speed plays a part in unsafe driving, but so do a lot of other factors. In any given week I see dozens of vehicles zooming down the road with *visibly* underinflated tires and I see dozens of SUV's weaving in traffic to the point where their top heavy bodies are swaying. Ticket those folks if you really want safer roads, not the guy doing 66 mph.
Here's what has occured to me: when the speed limit was 55, people drove 75-80 on 280. Now that the limit is 65, people still drive 75-80 on 280. A person doing 62 and not paying attention is far more dangerous than the person doing 80 who is paying attention. A person doing 65 on bald tires is far more dangerous than a person doing 80 in a car which is properly maintained. Tickets should be given for unsafe driving, speed plays a part in unsafe driving, but so do a lot of other factors. In any given week I see dozens of vehicles zooming down the road with *visibly* underinflated tires and I see dozens of SUV's weaving in traffic to the point where their top heavy bodies are swaying. Ticket those folks if you really want safer roads, not the guy doing 66 mph.
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Originally Posted by mmboost
I suppose it never occured to you that there's also the added elements of the ability of the cars and drivers around you. New drivers. Old people. Stupid people. Accords, Tercels and seasickness inducing Mustangs. Lower speeds means more time for everyone to react.
jason
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Heres a suggestion where the speed traps are on HW 4:
Willow Pass Road on-ramp, going up the Willow Pass Grade, within the Naval Weapons Station, both ways
The junction between 4 and 242... i see cops there on the inside of the curve where there's a big blind spot. it is a slight downgrade there, and people regularly go 80 mph there, southbound mostly
Bay Point, San Marcos onramp, east bound
The whole downhill section of HW 4 from the Willow Pass down to 242. Cops can be seen on the shoulder, hiding behind the concrete barrier that seperates the dirt shoulder and the BART tracks
Come to think of it... HW4 is always well patroled. The CHP out there got many tricks up there sleeves
Willow Pass Road on-ramp, going up the Willow Pass Grade, within the Naval Weapons Station, both ways
The junction between 4 and 242... i see cops there on the inside of the curve where there's a big blind spot. it is a slight downgrade there, and people regularly go 80 mph there, southbound mostly
Bay Point, San Marcos onramp, east bound
The whole downhill section of HW 4 from the Willow Pass down to 242. Cops can be seen on the shoulder, hiding behind the concrete barrier that seperates the dirt shoulder and the BART tracks
Come to think of it... HW4 is always well patroled. The CHP out there got many tricks up there sleeves
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Originally Posted by AWD 20T
Your sister smokes good crack. She meant to say that the roads are usually tested as "safe" to drive on 10 mph over the posted speed limit. Next time you see CHP on the freeway go ahead and pass him doing 75 and see if he lights em up....
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I received an email back mentioning the 5-1 minority as well.
It was clearly apparent
that my email was not read at all as the comment about more deaths was made again.
I replied back giving another opportunity to actually read my email and look at the facts I listed with the references to official sites.
If I don't hear back I'll write the editor about journalistic integrity and be saddened about mass media yet again.
As for the comment about the speed limit and maximum speed signs, that probably comes from another state. In other states, where Maximum Speed is posted, the Basic Speed Law does not apply at all. In Ca the basic speed law varies based on where, sometimes when, and mostly officer's whim. If you get written up under the general speed law in any state, you have a pretty good shot at getting off.
Basic Speed Law
22350. No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property.
In other words, to be found guilty of 22350, it must be proven you were not prudent or reasonable in your speeding or were endangering people. So nothing but grass and farmland in bright sun and dry weather with no people present, you could get off. It is recommended that all speeding tickets, unless specific, be written with this violation.
versus
Maximum Speed Limit
22349(a) Exceeding 65 mph maximum speed limit.
or
22348(b) Driving in excess of 100 mph.
It was clearly apparent
that my email was not read at all as the comment about more deaths was made again. I replied back giving another opportunity to actually read my email and look at the facts I listed with the references to official sites.
If I don't hear back I'll write the editor about journalistic integrity and be saddened about mass media yet again.
As for the comment about the speed limit and maximum speed signs, that probably comes from another state. In other states, where Maximum Speed is posted, the Basic Speed Law does not apply at all. In Ca the basic speed law varies based on where, sometimes when, and mostly officer's whim. If you get written up under the general speed law in any state, you have a pretty good shot at getting off.
Basic Speed Law
22350. No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property.
In other words, to be found guilty of 22350, it must be proven you were not prudent or reasonable in your speeding or were endangering people. So nothing but grass and farmland in bright sun and dry weather with no people present, you could get off. It is recommended that all speeding tickets, unless specific, be written with this violation.
versus
Maximum Speed Limit
22349(a) Exceeding 65 mph maximum speed limit.
or
22348(b) Driving in excess of 100 mph.