Case in point here folks, ANY conversation that makes you step back, and think about your rights, is a good one.

 

This

 

Any objective conversation with facts and constructive arguments is a good one. Subjectively rantings about hating authority and how you personally feel stuff is messed up is not. Don't alienate your audience before you even have a chance to get to thoughtful parts.

 

You forgot the part where he's driving a TEN YEAR OLD VEHICLE WITH PAPER PLATES AND TINTED WINDOWS. Funny how that happened.

Those are both reasonable cause for pulling someone over as they are both ticket-able offenses.


And yes... when I see a 10 year old vehicle I wonder... how long ago did he buy that car?

Now if it's a 2014 Model whatever and I see paper plates I go... ah man... bet they're loving life right now. Probably hasn't even broke it in yet.

See the difference here? You're talking about a new vehicle vs. an old vehicle. A stock vehicle vs. a modified vehicle.

Generally speaking the plates go with the car. You buy a 10 year old vehicle used it usually has plates on it. The rare cases that it had vanity plates that went with the previous owner, like I'm guessing for this case... well it's the rare case. So yeah... I see a 10 year old car I wonder what's up.

I drive a 10 year old vehicle. I have extra papers from the dealership I bought it. I've had my reg expire because I'm ****ty with bills. What would have stopped me from popping those plates on and driving around with an unregistered vehicle?

 

For no other reason. Do you see where it's unconstitutional to pull over a vehicle with illegally tinted windows and no license plates?

His argument in this case is NOT valid. Just isn't.

If he's openly arguing that SOME officers over step their bounds and pull people over for ****s and giggles or because they THINK there might be something illegal.... then sure. Valid point.

But this car had 2 illegal things going on with it. **** situation is that the driver had proof he was dealing with it and aware of it and should have just been let to carry on his way... but them pulling him over had nothing to do with infringing on his constitutional rights.

There are all kinds of laws like this in place on both sides. They're put there so we can protect ourselves and so they can protect themselves. Not to e abused by either side.

Take for example the asshat that walked around with an exposed firearm. Then when the police asked him about it... instead of saying... oh here's my permit. I'm legit. He goes on about how some legal battle a hundred years ago says that the police can't walk up to him and stop him JUST because he has a fire arm in his hand and turns it in to a situation that didn't need to happen in the first place.... and funny enough... had the officer come up with some other reason... like we had complaints of an intoxicated individual in the area waving a gun around... or something like that. They could have proceeded with the stop and probably found out that the dude was doing something illegal and the asshat would have found himself in jail. But they saw the cameras. Let it go.

Dude is lucky he didn't get shot by an overzealous officer or a paranoid concealed carrier with cold war fears transferred to everyone with a gun is a terrorist.

 

This has been a great lunch time read. Thanks guys!

 

werd. burritos are good.

 

I see what you did there and we deffinately did get away from the OP and yes it was a valid stop.

Probable cause tinted windows, secondary paper plates.

 

Actually today was a 'super' enchilada. Close tho!

 

To be fair the cop probably didn't know what year the vehicle was



Also this doesn't excuse threatening op for arrest and acting like they are going to go for their guns to intimidate him into SIGNING the ticket. I think this right there PROVES the cops in question here are corrupt ****tard scum ****s, proven by their willingness to not follow the law when they see fit (like most other dirty pigs and why we hate them).

 

Assumptions.

They may not have known the exact year but they may have. For all you know the dude has one in his garage. But it's pretty clear it's not a new one. There are a LOT of subarus on the road now and it's pretty easy to see the difference in the years and know it's not a brand new one. I couldn't tell you the difference between a 2014 E55 and a 2011 E55. But I sure as hell could tell you the difference between a 2014 and a 2004.

And you're taking them going for their guns as them intimidating him in to signing the ticket when in fact what they were doing was preparing to ARREST him which is what they said they would do and he said he wanted.

I think it's retarded that you can be arrested for not signing a ticket you don't agree with but it is what it is. He would have been foolish to not sign it and foolish to get arrested as the citations were valid. Not necessary but valid.

Not sure if you've ever been removed from a vehicle to be arrested before but it's generally a good idea to be ready to fire on someone if they're willingly being arrested for something so minor. You don't now what they're going to do when they're getting out of the vehicle.


Step 1. They pulled him over.
Step 2. They told him whats' up.
Step 3. He told them what was up.
Step 4. The ticket.
Step 5. I'm not signing that.
Step 6. We'll have to arrest you if you refuse to sign.
Step 7. O.K. arrest me.
Step 8. Called the bluff and put their hands on their guns in the process of asking him to step out of the vehicle and arresting him.
Step 9. Fight I'll sign it.
Step 10. It's all over.


It's not like they pulled him over. Jumped out of their cars and said... oh know it's a black. shoot him he might be a gang member in a stolen car.


I'm just presenting the other side here. I know the OP. He's a good dude. The stop was B.S. The citations though legal were B.S.

But saying the cops were racist or swinging the big dick of the law around seems out of line in this case. But none of us were there.

I guarantee you regardless of anything if any one of us says... oh a tint ticket... no arrest me. They're going to be prepared to pull their gun as they ask you to get out of the vehicle. Not sure if you knew this or not but police have been shot in those situations before.

 

Considering that a lot of police departments are training their officers to look for illegal modifications, there could very well be a good chance the officer knew the kind of car it is and have a rough idea of the year.

 

When I first got my car about 11 years ago, I was driving it around Hesperian and E.14th because I was getting used to driving a manual on my own. I got pulled over because my car had expired tags (even though I had the temp tag on the rear window). It was a pretty quick conversation and thankfully I didn't panic. Haha. I was 21 at the time.

SLPD: Do you know what I pulled you over?
Me: Nope
SLPD: Your tags are expired.
Me: I just bought the car from a private seller and I'm learning how to drive it on my own since I didn't wanna stall the car when the streets are busier.
SLPD: Okay. Well, be careful. Nice car. Have a good night.

Although, since then, San Leandro has started to deteriorate. Some sketchy stuff happens around here, so I assume SLPD is more actively looking for stuff at random. I must've seen SLPD on my street more often than I ever had lately.

 

My experience, flip a coin to next time you get pulled over. Heads a cool cop, tails a pig.

 

Unfortunate, but true. +1